You can't tell me I'm not good enough.

[Benjai]

I've run the shroud **** near 100 times. I'm one of twelve people in the world who can say they finished the shroud on hard first (when the level cap was 4 levels lower and there wasn't nearly as good gear). I've got Min II khopeshes and enough silver arrows to kill every Twilight fan in the world when manyshot is up. Raged and not including madstone I've got 477 HP with 50% healing amplification. And you're telling me that I'm not good enough to do the shroud?

Oh well, I bet it was fun waiting what was at least 7 minutes for that final DPS spot. I'm sure in the end you saved soooo much time choosing someone over me.

Disclaimer: I'm not saying I'm amazingly good, I'm just saying that I'm well than good enough for a raid designed for level 16s.

-Ubertastic

[Veriden]

I do like shooting twilight fans with silver arrows.

But in the end, because you said I can't.

You're not good enough.

Disclaimer: I had nothing to do with that shroud, nor the server.

[Chai]

I read the OP with a backpacker beat playing in my head, in the voice of Eyedea.

We just completed our second permadeath shroud, with thrift store gear and half our dps didnt even have DR breakers. This raid is seriously a joke for anyone in PUGs who has run it a few times. The stuff you can buy on the brokers nowdays is overkill to run this raid we used to do at level 14.

The OP is right. The fact that people still screen for this is pathetic, tossing up LFMs for 18-20 and checking gear, lol - because you basically have to TRY to fail it.

[Windex69]

Mmmm... twilight fans + Silver Arrows = a better world.....

Seriously though, don't sweat it. People have a bad habit of knowing (or at best thinking) what's best for their groups.

Just keep on keeping on.

[Tyrande]

No, it is not you that is not good enough. It is some players who gave rangers a bad name. It is a perception issue. I know, I have a ranger with mineral II and lightning II weapons; TOD rings, just some leaders I don't know what to say. Some shroud leaders were building a perfect combination of party.

I have also have 2 True Incarnated wizards, who do amazingly well burst DPS, just cannot get into Shroud groups when ONE or TWO casters are already in the group.

I just don't understand what is so difficult with normal shroud that even reincarnated wizards OR rangers with green steel weapons/TOD rings and more than 20 completions under their belt cannot join the last spot.

Even my True Incarnated level 20 Maximum DPS bard (She makes normal shroud runs like casual, and hard ones normal). She cannot join a NORMAL shroud group when there is already one bard in the group.

There are even barbarians who are built very badly. 280 hit point barbarians. They got into groups just fine...

[Talon_Moonshadow]

/beg to join a group that doesn't want you?

To each his own.
But I wouldn't.

[Culver.Civello]

+1 to OP.

>.> How is it that my 17 Monk can't get into a shroud run, because I need to be Level 18 at least? What is this s**t!? oh and of course, My rogue isn't DPS. BULL****

Great... now I feel like pushing more people into the bottom of The Pit.

[Crankymonky]

+1 to OP.

>.> How is it that my 17 Monk can't get into a shroud run, because I need to be Level 18 at least? What is this s**t!?

I know when I throw up an LFM for the shroud it is almost always 18-20. Not because I only want level 18s, but because that's the default level range selected if a level 20 character throws up an LFM. I have no problem taking lower level characters and I'd imagine many people have similar sentiments ands LFMs.

I occasionally have people ask if I mind taking a level 17 and I always say of course, LFM 18-20 only because that's the default. Then they usually say they were just making sure.

I could understand how this might be confusing or off-putting, but my guess is that most people don't intentionally exclude level 17s from the shroud.

[Meetch1972]

Being L20 as I repeat the raids, I will usually put up a shroud LFM with 17-20. The only question I've asked a "non-qualifying" toon that hit the LFM is something along the lines of "You do know you're not going to get much XP, right?" IIRC he was L15.

When he replied "Yes", I hit Accept. Even if he was gimp it wouldn't have affected the completion chances. (Turned out he was a dual-GS wielding TR who was knowledgable about the build anyway).

I'd rather have a gimp "DPS" join and contribute 2% to the part4/5 beatdowns, turning the 1 rounder into a 1.1 rounder, than wait another 5 minutes for the "right stuff" to maybe come along. Far sillier things are encountered, such as healers standing back during portal beat-downs to heal the group instead of bashing the portal with their club of gimpness, and some casters who like to conserve all their sp during part 4 round 1 instead of contributing to DPS.

But all in all, my basic rule of thumb is: If PUGing, ensure you bring your sense of humor along. It solves a lot of blood pressure related problems.

[Ilindith]

I'm looking forward to getting declined cause there's no way a melee FVS can heal.
And also there's no way I can have DPS if I can heal.

In short, some raid group leaders are stupid. Better get used to it and find other Shroud runs if it happens.

[Aeolwind]

Have hope! Some people that are running shrouds actually read the forums. I let a 9 cleric, 11 sorc in once. Guess what, we still completed.

Sure, if there is a squishy or 3 I'll have to chug a pot or twelve. Forget about it.
If you are too silly to realize that if you died once, after you get a rez that you'll die again, you don't get another rez. But, you'll still get loot.

I kinda feel bad about not letting the level 12 fighter go that asked.

[uhgungawa]

You can't tell me I'm not good enough.

You're not good enough.

Yup, I can say it

[Vanquishedfo]

Its really all the vet elitist fault, they created this image of having to ahve the best, then the newbs come along who think content we had back at a 14 cap is end game, and demand end game builds for something a casual play for fun 14 build can stomp these days.

I myself rarely build for epic content, but the fact so many newbs think a normal shroud is EPIC is what really makes me feel sick and like laughing all at once.

[Teharahma]

I've run the shroud **** near 100 times. I'm one of twelve people in the world who can say they finished the shroud on hard first (when the level cap was 4 levels lower and there wasn't nearly as good gear). I've got Min II khopeshes and enough silver arrows to kill every Twilight fan in the world when manyshot is up. Raged and not including madstone I've got 477 HP with 50% healing amplification. And you're telling me that I'm not good enough to do the shroud?

Oh well, I bet it was fun waiting what was at least 7 minutes for that final DPS spot. I'm sure in the end you saved soooo much time choosing someone over me.

Disclaimer: I'm not saying I'm amazingly good, I'm just saying that I'm well than good enough for a raid designed for level 16s.

-Ubertastic

'You're not good enough'
Be careful, what you wish for!

[thesnoman]

Last night I ran a Shroud on my 18Rgr/1Mnk/1Rog. I started the LFM and made it known that I would take ANYONE! We had 2 Lvl 16s and 3 Lvl 17s...everyone else was Lvl 20. There was more than enough DPS and it was only getting a healer that kept the LFM from filling in about 30 seconds. When petitioning healers, very few wanted to join because of the relatively low levels in the crowd. When we finally filled it was one of the fastest and smoothest Shroud runs of the day (I did five yesterday). Why? Good group and people that had limited Shroud experience listened to the veterans and asked for help (Puzzles) when needed.

Shroud LFMs with 18-20 Lvl limits and the words "know it" in the descriptions get skipped by me.

[Bodic]

/squelch is your friend

as my Rogue received a "sorry got the locks coverd" /tell I understnad your pain

how many x only class raids have been done.

Hate the player not the class.

[k1ngp1n]

I like this thread.

[MrWizard]

I've run the shroud **** near 100 times. I'm one of twelve people in the world who can say they finished the shroud on hard first (when the level cap was 4 levels lower and there wasn't nearly as good gear). I've got Min II khopeshes and enough silver arrows to kill every Twilight fan in the world when manyshot is up. Raged and not including madstone I've got 477 HP with 50% healing amplification. And you're telling me that I'm not good enough to do the shroud?

Oh well, I bet it was fun waiting what was at least 7 minutes for that final DPS spot. I'm sure in the end you saved soooo much time choosing someone over me.

Disclaimer: I'm not saying I'm amazingly good, I'm just saying that I'm well than good enough for a raid designed for level 16s.

-Ubertastic

these must be the same level 20s, doing a 17th level quest called the shroud...the same level 20s who will wait 1 hour for a cleric to join a normal run in chronoscope...

You probably had a better time writing this thread than you would have had in that group...

[AMDarkwolf]

to this day, I still get denied spots in shroud. OP, don't let it make u mad, be like me, i find it amusing.

Sometimes they begrudgingly accept me, desperate to fill that last spot, and get moving, then see what a 'gimped, squishy, 0dps build/class' can do.

This isn't the only spot u see this, with eDQ's, and the 'spartan' method, people refuse to accept AA's. I don't get why, 3-4 AA's multishotting the snakelady, pulls her down to the table FAST, and greatly reduces the amount of healing needed. And there's NOTHING stopping those AA's from switching to 2 blades when shes kissin us.

Again, another example is the eDA i just made into because the leader 'knew' me, he wanted DPS, and only had spots for barbs. Sad issue was his 2 DPSers could NOT get the agro off me when I was autoattacking the boss without any boosts and I was not even using a DR buster.

Just put it under your hat as yet another 'locked in' misconception.

[stoopid_cowboy]

there's no way a melee FVS can heal.

Hahaha I started that same fight the other night in a PuG Shroud! Party had a Cleric and two Flavored Soul's. One Flavored Soul dc's in part 1, "Hey Cleric I hope you can solo heal!" I immediately made the comment "What about the other Flavored Soul? We still have two healers." The battle was on....

pug guy: Can't you see she is a WF melee?
me: and???
pug: She cant heal, she's melee specc'd
me: Why can't she help heal?
pug because she's &^$@&*&^# melee you *&^#%#&* &*#^#^#&*#* #*^##^&##&
me: Well, I have a melee built Flavored Soul and I solo heal
me: If a healing CAPABLE class can't handle HELPING heal a Shroud, maybe it's time to reroll...

Then I shut up and let the guy rant. Turns out the healing incapable melee Flavored Soul was his wife. LMAO

BTW, last night I put solo healed an Epic Von 6 on my melee Flavored Soul

yuda