Completionist love devs?

[Wizzly_Bear]

just wait till you can buy it in the store

POOF I've given you the power of foresight!

Lol! Not too far fetched considering you can buy the hearts there

[Lithic]

Ideally I think there would be 2 feats. Both exactly the same but one free and one selectable.

Once you qualify for it, you gain the free completionist feat as today. If a new class comes out, it deactivates but you now have the option of spending a feat slot to keep your completionist feat.

This would allow those who make a huge tome investment to use up a feat slot and not lose their completionist benefits every time a new class comes out, though at a decent price. Others who TR into the new class would regain the completionist feat for free.

Then again for all we know the feat is bugged and does NOT deactivate when a new class comes out.

[Wizzly_Bear]

I'd be perfectly fine if Completionist were a free Feat.
And I say that as someone who will never, ever become one.

In my questionably humble opinion - they put in the time and effort, give them the fan-service they deserve.

We already get a free "feat" for each past life we complete. I would rather this feat never existed. And I say that as someone who will "achieve" it. But again, my opinion, and obviously in the minority.

[Uska]

Don't forget that once Druids come out, you will be short a feat unless you decide to pay Turbine Points for a feat exchange (or use that free one that everybody gets by doing the dragonmark quest).

unless they automaticly give it back since you wont have the requirements for it any more

[SableShadow]

We already get a free "feat" for each past life we complete. I would rather this feat never existed. And I say that as someone who will "achieve" it. But again, my opinion, and obviously in the minority.

I agree, but as long as they don't start balancing quests around it (and the other TR feats), I don't care all that much.

[maddmatt70]

End game player love please. How about epic levels or enhancements? How about a quest designed for level 20 players sometime this year?

[Memnir]

I would rather this feat never existed.

I completely agree with ya here. It's a Dev Joke gone awry. However since it is in the game, gotta deal with it somehow.

But, since again it is in the game - I still say that if you grind out Completionist - you've earned the Feat gratis. It's a huge accomplishment, and should be rewarded as such. I've no beef with anyone who feels differently, so no worries there.

[Wizzly_Bear]

End game player love please. How about epic levels or enhancements? How about a quest designed for level 20 players sometime this year?

This ^

[Wizzly_Bear]

I completely agree with ya here. It's a Dev Joke gone awry. However since it is in the game, gotta deal with it somehow.

But, since again it is in the game - I still say that if you grind out Completionist - you've earned the Feat gratis. It's a huge accomplishment, and should be rewarded as such. I've no beef with anyone who feels differently, so no worries there.

/qft

I have no "issue" with it, even if it was free, so long as it doesn't start affecting game design. I just don't like it.

But it comes nowhere close to my "friends" list, unlike greensteel changes, charm changes, summoning changes, and a host of others.

[Cetus]

/qft

I have no "issue" with it, even if it was free, so long as it doesn't start affecting game design. I just don't like it.

But it comes nowhere close to my "friends" list, unlike greensteel changes, charm changes, summoning changes, and a host of others.

Well, whether you wish the feat had not existed or whether it was a dev joke- it exists in the game and there are quite a few of us who have already done the grind to acquire it. So whats the use of saying that you wish it wasn't around?

I don't think that looking at the feat as ">25" feats is correct personally.

You have mentioned feats that are outright useless, that nobody takes in the practical game world.

My reason for that is that skill focuses for 99% of all the skills are outright USELESS (hey ill take skill focus in spot, search, tumble?) in the game at the moment. UMD and intimidate are really the only skills that jump to mind as I'm writing this. So you can go ahead and eliminate quite a few of those out of the equation. Same goes for "luck of heroes" for the most part, there are wayy too many better feats to choose than that therefore 99% of the players don't have it, especially those who are feat starved.

Getting every spell focus? that sounds way overhyped as opposed to just +1 to your spell DC's (this means the same exact thing). Same goes to "weapon focus in every weapon type"...its just an extra 2 str.

So when you acquire a str7 item to throw you up to an even strength- you just got every weapon focus in the game! Choosing your words as such to make it sound overpowered is not a fair way to critique this.

Additionally, there is no one build who can equally benefit from taking "every spell focus in the game" AND "every weapon focus in the game" at the same time; maybe some battle caster of sort but even then there are inherent limitations.

So in the end, the feat gives you 2 to all stats, only relevant stats apply to any one build, and +2 to maybe 2-3 skills (theres no build out there that makes use of every friggin skill since most of them are useless).

Additionally, you have to spend a feat for it so your "free toughness" is probably what gets subbed for it anyway- so you don't even get any extra hp anyway.

What would be the benefit of making it free?

1) Those of us who fit it in now, probably can just gain an extra 20 hp from getting back the toughness they dropped for it. Not a big deal, nowhere near overpowered and completionists are satisfied.

2) Those characters who said screw it because they couldn't fit it in can now pursue it. Thats a plus.

[Cetus]

End game player love please. How about epic levels or enhancements? How about a quest designed for level 20 players sometime this year?

Hey I'm dying for that too, but that post has no relevance to the topic of this thread.

[mournbladereigns]

Well, whether you wish the feat had not existed or whether it was a dev joke- it exists in the game and there are quite a few of us who have already done the grind to acquire it. So whats the use of saying that you wish it wasn't around?

I don't think that looking at the feat as ">25" feats is correct personally.

You have mentioned feats that are outright useless, that nobody takes in the practical game world.

My reason for that is that skill focuses for 99% of all the skills are outright USELESS (hey ill take skill focus in spot, search, tumble?) in the game at the moment. UMD and intimidate are really the only skills that jump to mind as I'm writing this. So you can go ahead and eliminate quite a few of those out of the equation. Same goes for "luck of heroes" for the most part, there are wayy too many better feats to choose than that therefore 99% of the players don't have it, especially those who are feat starved.

Getting every spell focus? that sounds way overhyped as opposed to just +1 to your spell DC's (this means the same exact thing). Same goes to "weapon focus in every weapon type"...its just an extra 2 str.

So when you acquire a str7 item to throw you up to an even strength- you just got every weapon focus in the game! Choosing your words as such to make it sound overpowered is not a fair way to critique this.

Additionally, there is no one build who can equally benefit from taking "every spell focus in the game" AND "every weapon focus in the game" at the same time; maybe some battle caster of sort but even then there are inherent limitations.

So in the end, the feat gives you 2 to all stats, only relevant stats apply to any one build, and +2 to maybe 2-3 skills (theres no build out there that makes use of every friggin skill since most of them are useless).

Additionally, you have to spend a feat for it so your "free toughness" is probably what gets subbed for it anyway- so you don't even get any extra hp anyway.

What would be the benefit of making it free?

1) Those of us who fit it in now, probably can just gain an extra 20 hp from getting back the toughness they dropped for it. Not a big deal, nowhere near overpowered and completionists are satisfied.

2) Those characters who said screw it because they couldn't fit it in can now pursue it. Thats a plus.

Wow, your right, Completionist sounds like a newb trap, I wouldn't take it

[Cetus]

Wow, your right, Completionist sounds like a newb trap, I wouldn't take it

I never said the benefits were worth the work either =D

[Cyr]

/signed

Just like I've /signed the half dozen other threads with this same subject.

Completionist is a grind that has no equal in DDO. About a third of the free past life feats end up being essentially useless for most builds with a 1 TR per class. This feat as a free feat would make up for a good amount of that. Right now it makes more sense for most builds to either TR 3 times in wizard or monk depending upon if they are melee or casters and be done with it.

A good alternative to completionist as a free feat is to make more passive free feats per class and have the person TRing choose one when they TR for the last class they were among the various choices. This way generally useful passive feats can be included in the list along with the more specifically useful ones (ranger is great for ranged builds, but not so much for other/wizard is awesome for casters but useless for melee...)

[SynalonEtuul]

I have no problem with it existing but I don't think it should be free

[ayspam]

I ll sign this, but I d also be happy if we just got to keep our +3/+4 tomes.

[Cetus]

I ll sign this, but I d also be happy if we just got to keep our +3/+4 tomes.

Heh if we at least get that, ill be happy.

[Wizzly_Bear]

I understand the reasoning and desire. I just don't agree with it. It shouldn't even exist in my opinion, let alone be an automatically granted feat. Fwiw, ymmv, etc.

Show yourself so I can neg you back since disagreeing is sufficient grounds. I bet you don't have the stones

[Nick_RC]

/signed.

dont care if it was a dev joke - should be free.

N

[gamj]

Why not leave it as it is as far as you need to take it, BUT:

Make it worth one (1) prereq feat for a PrE.

Ex. Tempest needs Dodge, Mobility, Spring Attack (in that order due to prereqs).. This feat could replace the last (spring attack).

So feat-starves classes can take the Completionist Feat and still have options to take other feats/PrE.

Not sure how that would look in-game though.