A few of my new player builds i need help with

[Aveidha]

Will be posting some of my own custom builds and some I have made for friends.Any feedback is appreciated but can it plz be constructive.For example don't bother posting that ranged is gimped without some proof,advice to improve it etc.Thanks for any help you can give and remember that they are built be a new player.

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Javindhra Manetheran
Level 20 Lawful Good Human Female
(20 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 262
Spell Points: 1622 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 6
Will: 20

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             12                 12                   12
Dexterity             8                  8                    8
Constitution         14                 14                   14
Intelligence         10                 10                   10
Wisdom               18                 23                   27
Charisma             12                 12                   12

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)          (Level 20)
Balance               0                 10                   10
Bluff                 0                  0                    0
Concentration         6                 25                   25
Diplomacy             0                  0                    0
Disable Device        n/a               n/a                   n/a
Haggle                0                  0                    0
Heal                  4                  8                   10
Hide                  0                  0                    0
Intimidate            0                  0                    0
Jump                  3                  8                    8
Listen                4                  8                    8
Move Silently         0                  0                    0
Open Lock             n/a               n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a               n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                  0                    0
Search                0                  0                    0
Spot                  4                  8                    8
Swim                  1                  1                    1
Tumble                2                  6                    6
Use Magic Device      n/a               n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Tumble (+2)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Mental Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I


Level 2 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Cleansing I


Level 3 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Empower Healing I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Improved Heal I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I


Level 4 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Enhancement: Improved Heal II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II


Level 5 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I


Level 6 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Wisdom I


Level 7 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II


Level 8 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III


Level 9 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III


Level 10 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV


Level 11 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I


Level 12 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty


Level 13 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant II
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration I


Level 14 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration II


Level 15 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 16 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration III


Level 17 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II


Level 18 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom III


Level 19 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning I


Level 20 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Intervention
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life III

I went with this amount of tumble so I can use it while wearing full plate and I don't see much point in having a base UMD of maybe 6 at lvl20.Will probably swap out SP boosts and mental tougness when I get to a higher lvl.

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Level 20 True Neutral Elf Female
(12 Fighter \ 2 Rogue \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 252
Spell Points: 130 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 16
Will: 5

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             16                 21                   21
Dexterity            18                 19                   19
Constitution         12                 12                   12
Intelligence         14                 14                   14
Wisdom                8                  8                    8
Charisma              8                  8                    8

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 14

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)          (Level 20)
Balance               7                  7                    7
Bluff                -1                 -1                   -1
Concentration         1                  1                    1
Diplomacy            -1                 -1                   -1
Disable Device        6                 25                   25
Haggle                3                  8                    8
Heal                 -1                 -1                   -1
Hide                  8                  8                    8
Intimidate           -1                 -1                   -1
Jump                  7                 16                   16
Listen               -1                 -1                    1
Move Silently         8                  8                    8
Open Lock             5                  5                    5
Perform              n/a               n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                  2                    2
Search                6                 15                   17
Spot                  3                 12                   14
Swim                  3                  6                    6
Tumble                8                  9                    9
Use Magic Device      3                 22                   22

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+3)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Hide (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Move Silently (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I


Level 2 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Point Blank Shot
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Resistance I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage I
Enhancement: Fighter Armored Agility I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 3 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons


Level 4 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 5 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness


Level 7 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 8 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider


Level 9 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 11 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Specialization: Ranged Weapons


Level 13 (Fighter)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)


Level 14 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Precise Shot


Level 15 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Precise Shot


Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency:  Khopesh


Level 17 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack


Level 19 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Ranged Weapons

Ok got in the other lvls,left them out be accident last time.Still going arcane archer.

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Faeldrin Manetheran
Level 20 True Neutral Elf Female
(2 Fighter \ 18 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 266
Spell Points: 259 
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 15
Will: 8

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             16                 21                   21
Dexterity            16                 16                   18
Constitution         14                 14                   14
Intelligence          8                  8                    8
Wisdom               14                 14                   14
Charisma              8                  8                    8

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)          (Level 20)
Balance               5                 15.5                 15.5
Bluff                -1                 -1                   -1
Concentration         2                  2                    2
Diplomacy            -1                 -1                   -1
Disable Device       n/a               n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -1                 -1                   -1
Heal                  2                  2                    2
Hide                  3                  4                    4
Intimidate           -1                 -1                   -1
Jump                  7                 28                   28
Listen                2                  2                    4
Move Silently         3                  4                    4
Open Lock             n/a               n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a               n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                 -1                   -1
Search                3                 22                   24
Spot                  6                 25                   27
Swim                  3                  8                    8
Tumble                5                 10                   10
Use Magic Device     n/a               n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+2)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Resistance I
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Damage I


Level 2 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I


Level 3 (Fighter)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Selected) Mobility
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 4 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Spot (+2)


Level 5 (Ranger)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack


Level 7 (Ranger)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 9 (Ranger)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Ranger)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)


Level 11 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)


Level 12 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider


Level 13 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)


Level 14 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)


Level 15 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 16 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)


Level 17 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)


Level 18 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)


Level 19 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)


Level 20 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)

Tips on favoured enemies,enhancements and feats needed here.

[unbongwah]

FYI, pure rogue can't go AA; you need to be able to cast spells. The other issue for rogue AAs is feat shortage. Have a look at my Triple A build in my sig for one example of a rogue AA.

[Kourier]

You have a casting cleric with no heighten? Blasphemy! I think heighten is much more useful than 100 extra sp. Make the casts you have count for more! Also, I personally would put the points in dex on the cleric somewhere else and take UMD instead of tumble/jump (Not a big deal either way, I guess, but having the option of UMD is very nice). Still keep one rank into tumble so you can actually tumble.

Regarding enhancements... I think the SP enhancements, spell pen III, and improved empower healing are very expensive for what they give you. Did you take the human improved healing amplification or the higher tiers of wand and scroll mastery? Both help your heals go further.

[Habreno]

On Empower Healing my take is take one tier or 3. If you're taking two tiers, why not double your SP reduction for the exact same amount you already put in? Taking one tier is okay as well.

W/S Mastery: I generally take only one tier in this for the 25% boost. I don't see much further use from this as I don't use many scrolls (but have them) and don't have the AP for it.

[Aveidha]

Thanks for the tips thus far everyone.Are these build attempts bad/alright/good for my first builds?

[unbongwah]

For your cleric, have a look at sirgog's build catalog, specifically his offensive cleric. Max WIS, good CON, maybe some STR, dump everything else (except maybe INT if you need the skill pts); focus on meta feats which boost your DPS, DCs, and/or Spell Pen.

Your AA looks OK. You're slightly gimping your DPS & HPs by putting so many pts into INT & DEX (any chance you can get +2 tomes for either?), but it's not a fatal flaw IMHO. I might tweak the leveling order a bit to move up your rgr lvls - you don't get Manyshot & ITWF until lvl 10 - but I'm guessing you staggered out your lvls to help spread your skill pts around. Might want to keep Search & Disable more balanced; can't disarm what you can't find, after all, and I'm guessing you don't have a lot of twink gear. Also consider a build with more rogue or ranger lvls to give you more skill pts; as well as adding khopesh prof. - once you rack up your enhs you may find you don't have enough APs left for the elven scimitar enhs, in which case khopeshes are better DPS. [Actually they're better DPS anyway, but the gap narrows if you have the elven enhs.]

I don't see too many WF Kensai bother to load up on so much DR, perhaps because there are items & buffs for DR. But I'll let someone who's more of a WF expert weigh in. Though I would definitely recommend picking up a rank or two of Healer's Friend. And you don't have Superior Weap Focus; that's a Kensai III pre-req.

[Aveidha]

Thanks again for the tips.On the cleric I went 10 dex because someone told me that he REALLY regreted going with 8 dex.I went with what he said and it's a bit late now,although thanks for pointing it out.Same story with cha,I asked a lvl20 cleric and thats what he said to go with.

For the AA build I'm afraid I'm way to poor to afford +2 tomes.I sort of speced it for end-game(enev if I've never gotten there) as everyone says rangers are gimped and I wanted to prove them wrong even at the cost of lvling ease.By then I will hopefully will be able to afford a TR or LR or just a feat swap or two to sort out khopeshes vs scimitars.I mainly went with scimitars for the awsome crit range and reduced price.Once again once I can craft GS khopeshes I can swap a feat for them.

If anyone has experience with WF fighter kensai builds I would appreciate any help.

Special thanks to Unbongwah so far

[bladepro]

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...50#post2770550

This is a very good fighter build that is easily modified to be a TWF Khopesh user as stated by the OP. I am currently leveling this build up and a tr'd fighter and find it very strong. To use this build with Khopesh i would drop quick draw and take Khopesh proficiency at Lvl 14 and use a Great axe till lvl 9 or 10 then use scimitars from 10-14. And bump dodge back to lvl 15 take mobility and spring attack at 18 and last toughness at 20.

[Aveidha]

Thanks Bladepro,will check out that build and will either update mine or just scrap it and go with his one.

[unbongwah]

Hey, where'd your WF Kensai go?

For your elf Tempest, if you don't want a rogue splash, have a look at this rgr 18 / ftr 2 build:

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Level 20 True Neutral Elf Female
(2 Fighter \ 18 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 276
Spell Points: 205 
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 16
Will: 5

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             18                    24
Dexterity            16                    20
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence          8                     8
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma              8                     8

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Selected) Least Dragonmark of Shadow


Level 2 (Ranger)


Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Mobility


Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Spring Attack


Level 5 (Ranger)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Lesser Dragonmark of Shadow


Level 7 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant


Level 8 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 9 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Ranger)


Level 11 (Ranger)


Level 12 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 13 (Ranger)


Level 14 (Ranger)


Level 15 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 16 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 17 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Construct


Level 18 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting


Level 19 (Ranger)


Level 20 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost II
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Attack I
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Attack II
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Damage II
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Attack I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Attack II
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage II
Enhancement: Extra Dragonmark Use I
Enhancement: Extra Dragonmark Use II
Enhancement: Extra Dragonmark Use III
Enhancement: Extra Dragonmark Use IV
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage III
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage IV
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest II
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest III
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I

The idea is to boost her survivability with Displacement (Lesser Shadow DM); plus who doesn't want a cool glowing facial tattoo? For skills I would go with Balance, Hide, MS, Spot, and UMD, with a rank of Tumble to unlock it. [As a ranger, she can self-buff with Jump spell so no real need for pts into that.] Dump-stating WIS makes low-lvl spellcasting tougher (need at least +3 WIS item or Owl's WIS), but the boost to DPS from STR 18 makes it worthwhile in the long run, IMHO.

I also did a barb 18 / ftr 2 build along the same lines: higher HPs & melee DPS, but none of the ranger spells, archery feats, etc. Barb is for hitting, rgr is for versatility, IMHO.

[Aveidha]

I scraped my wf kensai as it would have ended up very like Goldeneyes one and I don't want to steal someone elses build.Bad form lol.It was mainly an experiment to see what people thought of it.I can re-post it if people want to debate about its merits.

Thanks again Unbongwah for the build you posted,will probably reroll my tempest and go with your one.For that build and my AA what feat would you suggest swapping out to get khopesh proficincey?Also for both of them would I be best off using a 2h weapon until at least,say lvl8? or around there?

[unbongwah]

On your AA, I would drop either OTWF or GWF for khopesh; neither is necessary. In fact I might drop the other for Quick Draw (reduces delay in activating action boosts like Haste) or to tweak the rest of your feats to be a khopesh (Slash) Kensai rather than a longbow (Ranged) Kensai. Depends on whether you want to focus on melee or ranged DPS.

On my Shadow Tempest, the idea was to use scimitars, simply because there's very little wiggle room with feats: four Tempest I/III pre-reqs (D/M/SA/OTWF); the two Shadow DMs are key to the entire purpose of the build; and every melee build should have PA, IMHO. So that leaves IC Slash or Toughness if you really want khopeshes, but I don't want to drop either: losing the former lowers your DPS when not using keen/Min2 weaps and losing the latter costs 52 HPs on a squishy race-class combo - not a good idea, IMHO. My view is elf racial enhs + max STR + IC Slash + PA + rgr FEs means you'll do enough DPS w/scimmys to be fine, esp. since the nerf to helplessness in U9 actually helps low-crit-multiplier high-crit-range weapons like scimitars & rapiers. [If anything I would want to squeeze in Extend not khopesh to double the duration of Displacement for free.]

[Aveidha]

I presonaly love the idea of the massive crit range of scimitars.I only asked as this entire forum seems to treat khopeshes as the weapon of god(or the devil).I've never used dragon marks before and I am looking forward to having a super cool tatoo While using manyshot does each arrow or each time you fire have a chance to crit?

[unbongwah]

The U9 nerf to helplessness actually helps scimmy & rapier wielders. Currently when a mob is held or stunned, every hit on it is an auto-crit, so naturally this is why weapons which do high crit dmg are preferred, especially in epics where the most popular tactic seems to be "Mass Hold + dual heavy picks until dead." This worked out badly for low-crit-multiplier weapons, since they did a lot less per hit than picks or khopeshes.

But U9 changes helplessness to a flat +50% dmg to hits, which re-levels the DPS playing field. Khopesh still wins, of course, but the downfall of picks is accompanied by the rise of scimitars & rapiers again. The way I see it, the slightly lower DPS of scimitars (w/elf racial enhs) vs khopeshes is compensated for by the fact scimitars are better for proc-on-crit effects like Bodyfeeder, Enfeebling, etc. [Unfortunately, I don't think there are any slashing Banishers, but you do get Vorpal scimitars, so it's kind of a fair trade.] It's not ideal DPS, but frankly if you wanted ideal DPS, you wouldn't make an elf ranger in the first place.

Incidentally, it would also be possible to add the Shadow DMs to your AA build by swapping them for OTWF & GWF (and sticking with scimitars or rapiers); might need to rejigger feat order a bit to take them early on, though. Then you could have a matching pair of tattoos.

[Aveidha]

This certainly clears up my doubts about the U9 nerfing.Been wondering for a while.

I have gotten my AA build to lvl4 but will certainly look into getting DM's for it.I personaly find OTWF to be a bit of a wast of a feat,but as usual,I go with what I'm told and take it all the time lol.Around what level would it be a good idea to switch from THF weapons to TWF?

Rolled up the Shadow Tempest and love the tatoo. ^_^

[unbongwah]

While using manyshot does each arrow or each time you fire have a chance to crit?

IIRC you make a separate attack roll for each arrow you fire, so yes there is a chance to crit on all of them.

Around what level would it be a good idea to switch from THF weapons to TWF?

The usual advice is to wait until you have at least ITWF; but really it depends on what gear you have and what you find works best for you. E.g., I've seen TWF builds use a Carnifex all the way to GTWF, simply because the crit DPS from it is that awesome: 20% chance of x3 crit on min lvl 4 2H weapon (so 1.5x STR bonus to dmg before crit) = Whereas someone who doesn't have a Carnifex might find they do better DPS switching to TWF sooner.

I belatedly remembered that I already have a rogue 2 / rgr 6 / ftr 12 AA Kensai build with Dragonmarks. You'll have to tweak it to fit your current AA, but it will give you some idea of how to work in the DMs if you want.

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Level 20 True Neutral Elf Female
(12 Fighter \ 2 Rogue \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 322
Spell Points: 150 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 17
Will: 6

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    26
Dexterity            17                    20
Constitution         14                    16
Intelligence         12                    14
Wisdom                8                    10
Charisma              8                    10

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 2 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead (swap for Evil Outsider at higher levels)


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Least Dragonmark of Shadow


Level 4 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 5 (Ranger)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant
Feat: (Selected) Lesser Dragonmark of Shadow


Level 7 (Ranger)


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness


Level 10 (Rogue)


Level 11 (Fighter)


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Precise Shot
Feat: (Selected) Precise Shot


Level 13 (Fighter)


Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Ranged Weapons


Level 17 (Fighter)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack


Level 19 (Fighter)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Ranged Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Extra Action Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Burst Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage II
Enhancement: Extra Dragonmark Use I
Enhancement: Extra Dragonmark Use II
Enhancement: Extra Dragonmark Use III
Enhancement: Kensei Longbow Mastery I
Enhancement: Kensei Longbow Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Fighter Longbow Specialization I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II

EDIT: instead of khopesh you could take Extend Spell for longer Displacements or Imp Crit Slash or Pierce for better DPS w/scimitars or rapiers.

[Aveidha]

Will U9 effect any of my builds much?If anyone finds a crafting or sorcerer spell guide(post U9) in the next while could they please inform me of it.Do people think crafting is a good addition?

[unbongwah]

Well, since none of your builds are FvS or sorcerers, the new PrEs have no bearing. To be honest, I haven't fully grokked all the other spellcasting changes yet, so I can't really comment on them. The wiki has a page for the new crafting system, but I must confess my eyes glazed over when I tried reading it. You might want peruse the Lammy forums for threads about U9.

[jwdaniels]

For the cleric, I would also put the dex somewhere else, but I'd add it to charisma for the extra aura/burst.

[Aveidha]

U9 is great imo My heal spells now cost around 40% less sp!Whats not to like?I have(sort of) got my head around the basics about crafting but it just seems like a trek and a half to lvl up lol.

About the cleric dex;toon is now lvl8 and doing grand.I'm gonna update the post just to draw people attention away from it lol.I do appreciate people pointing it out,I now know if I TR so thanks everyone who spotted it.