Looking for feedback on a TR

[Nysrock]

Just playing around with some build ideas for a TR. I know this build is not a optimized build but I am trying to make something fun that can run with my brothers new bard character. The only reason I am taking rapiers in this build is I have 2 GS ones from before and want to use them until I can craft something better. Thanks for any input.

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Dhurkhan 
Level 20 Neutral Good Human Male
(6 Fighter \ 2 Rogue \ 12 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 330
Spell Points: 176 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 20
Reflex: 20
Will: 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             17                    26
Dexterity            14                    18
Constitution         16                    18
Intelligence         10                    12
Wisdom               10                    12
Charisma              9                    12

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               6                     8
Bluff                -1                     2
Concentration         3                     5
Diplomacy            -1                     2
Disable Device        4                    25
Haggle                3                     5
Heal                  0                     3
Hide                  2                     4
Intimidate           -1                     2
Jump                  7                    25
Listen                0                     1
Move Silently         2                     4
Open Lock             6                     8
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                0                     1
Search                4                    24
Spot                  4                    24
Swim                  6                    11
Tumble                3                     5
Use Magic Device      3                    27

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Swim (+3)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding


Level 2 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Automatic) Bow Strength
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Feat: (Automatic) Wild Empathy


Level 3 (Fighter)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Mobility
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Soldier of the Faith
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency


Level 4 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 5 (Fighter)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Spring Attack


Level 6 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Diehard


Level 7 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 9 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+3)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion


Level 10 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant


Level 11 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Manyshot


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Piercing Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Specialization: Piercing Weapons


Level 13 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Wild Empathy


Level 14 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 15 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell


Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Cleave


Level 17 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 18 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Construct
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device


Level 19 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Precise Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Precise Shot


Level 20 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Kensei Rapier Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Charisma I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery III
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Human Versatility III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage III
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Improved Disable Device I
Enhancement: Ranger Devotion I
Enhancement: Ranger Devotion II
Enhancement: Ranger Devotion III
Enhancement: Ranger Devotion IV
Enhancement: Ranger Energy of the Wild I
Enhancement: Ranger Energy of the Wild II
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II

[blitzschlag]

you don't get anything interesting from rogue 2 (unless you need the skillpoints direly). ftr 7 gives you haste boost 3 and another toughness enhancement.

worth considering imo

[Nysrock]

you don't get anything interesting from rogue 2 (unless you need the skillpoints direly). ftr 7 gives you haste boost 3 and another toughness enhancement.

worth considering imo

Only reason for rogue at all is to maximize UMD and disable and for evasion.

[TheDearLeader]

you don't get anything interesting from rogue 2 (unless you need the skillpoints direly). ftr 7 gives you haste boost 3 and another toughness enhancement.

worth considering imo

The way his build is set up, its the difference between Evasion at 9, or at 17ish. Skills as well.

[blitzschlag]

Only reason for rogue at all is to maximize UMD and disable and for evasion.

ranger 9 gets you evasion too

skillpoints get tough with that many ftr lvls. but you can take umd and disable on fighterlevels (4 skillpoints/level as fighter from lvl 8 on). and search is classkill for ranger. could be doable maybe, dunno...

[blitzschlag]

The way his build is set up, its the difference between Evasion at 9, or at 17ish. Skills as well.

yeah, but imo tempest I asap is > evasion in the early levels.

i'd maybe go rog 1, ranger 2-10, ftr 11-17, rng 18-20. should work out with skillpoints i think.

[defen]

Looks pretty good. I'd dump wis/int. You can hit the hard cap for Jump from strength and the ranger buff without a single point invested.

[Nysrock]

LOL...as long as I have played this game you'd think I'd remember that Rangers get evasion at 9. Looking at it I could still pull it off going to fighter 7 and leaving rogue at 1. I would lose about 6 skill points but that would just mean less jump which is really a dump skill anyways.

The way I have it figured is I will have fairly high disable and UMD, decent HPs, Tempest II and Kensai I. Hopefully they will eventually let us deconstruct GS or I can save up enough ingredients to make something better then rapiers.

Anyone know if PL Paladin bonus stacks with Human bonuses for healing? I'm figuring they do and between that and maxed Ranger healing I should be pretty self efficient for keeping myself alive.

[blitzschlag]

LOL...as long as I have played this game you'd think I'd remember that Rangers get evasion at 9. Looking at it I could still pull it off going to fighter 7 and leaving rogue at 1. I would lose about 6 skill points but that would just mean less jump which is really a dump skill anyways.

just make sure your last 2 levels are ranger to fill up search and all should be fine.

The way I have it figured is I will have fairly high disable and UMD, decent HPs, Tempest II and Kensai I. Hopefully they will eventually let us deconstruct GS or I can save up enough ingredients to make something better then rapiers.

Anyone know if PL Paladin bonus stacks with Human bonuses for healing? I'm figuring they do and between that and maxed Ranger healing I should be pretty self efficient for keeping myself alive.

yeah they stack. you'd get more out of maximize than empoer healing for that matter. its more expensive but can make the difference