Question about the Savant TOD Rings

[Tirisha]

I assume that you need Tier III in the Savant PRE to get this bonus?

yeap

Note each tier increases the CL cap *that's what they mean by max cl* for spells of relative element by 1, and your CL by 2. So the final Tier will give you 3 max cl to your spells *CL 23 (or 23D6) would be the cap DBF* and with the TOD set that will increase it too 5 Max CL *DBF will cap at 25D6 with both bonuses* while your CL will be increased by 6.

[Solmage]

Putting Archmage instead of Wizardy VI would make the belts more useful.

Putting ANYTHING other than wizardry VI would make the belts useful to actually wear as opposed to just use as a clicky, such as:

- Archmage (duh)
- Greater (or better) Evocation and Conjuration Focus
- 50 extra stacking mana (100 for sorcs)
- Standard Belt stuff like con+6 or GFL

(Personally I'd just make it archmage and call it a day - sux to loose a belt slot for that, but it sux even worse to loose a belt slot for nothing-at-all just to get a set-bonus. But I am fond of the +50 extra mana together with greater focus idea)

And while we're dreaming, I suppose it is just too much to ask to have the rings have +1 exceptional charisma, so they're like, useful, to sorcerers?

[Heck if you want them to remain themed you could always make them str +6, cha+1 (fire), con+6, cha+1 (earth), etc etc, at least we'd be getting something remotely useful out of them, namely the +1 exceptional. - it's not like everyone won't have a plain +6 cha item somewhere else, be it DT armour, +7 cha item, plain ole item, etc. This would still save a slot for a +1 exceptional item]

[Absolute-Omniscience]

Putting ANYTHING other than wizardry VI would make the belts useful to actually wear as opposed to just use as a clicky, such as:

- Archmage (duh)
- Greater (or better) Evocation and Conjuration Focus
- 50 extra stacking mana (100 for sorcs)
- Standard Belt stuff like con+6 or GFL

(Personally I'd just make it archmage and call it a day - sux to loose a belt slot for that, but it sux even worse to loose a belt slot for nothing-at-all just to get a set-bonus. But I am fond of the +50 extra mana together with greater focus idea)

And while we're dreaming, I suppose it is just too much to ask to have the rings have +1 exceptional charisma, so they're like, useful, to sorcerers?

[Heck if you want them to remain themed you could always make them str +6, cha+1 (fire), con+6, cha+1 (earth), etc etc, at least we'd be getting something remotely useful out of them, namely the +1 exceptional. - it's not like everyone won't have a plain +6 cha item somewhere else, be it DT armour, +7 cha item, plain ole item, etc. This would still save a slot for a +1 exceptional item]

/agreed

I mean, why isn't it archmagi?

I feel as if some of the item designers' sole purpose is to destroy those who want good* items.

*Good meaning remotely useful.

[Zerkul]

The TOD set bonus for Elemental Savants should be granting +2 to maximum caster level of appropriate spells (for a total of +5 when you include your PrE bonuses).

Just maximum or both? Did someone test if this works? ... I cannot cause my ToD rings were in reincarnation cache and it didn't pass over lamannia.

[Shade]

2 max cl is such a horribly small bonus anyways.

And onto a really terrible set with **** like non stacking +5% crits and wizardry VI?

meh.. improve it please.

else ill wear my freakin non epic lionheaded belt buckle for its -2 saves proc and probably gain more dps.

[Alavatar]

sure sure but is that Damage dice or just the spell lvl(DC)

I lean towards just the DC so its broken.

Just to clarify, but DC is not affected by caster level (except in a few specific spells).

[Ridag]

Just to clarify, but DC is not affected by caster level (except in a few specific spells).

And that is the problem with the Elemental Savant PRE. The +6 to Caster Level simply does not enhance the majority of elemental spells in any way what-so-ever, but the -9 CL to your opposing element sure is noticeable.

Damage dice are capped, DC's are not increased, Spell Pen does not apply to the vast majority... What is the point?

[Cyr]

The TOD set bonus for Elemental Savants should be granting +2 to maximum caster level of appropriate spells (for a total of +5 when you include your PrE bonuses).

Wouldn't that require that you wear the really horrible belts in those ToD sets?

The belts need to be dramatically improved before people will want to really use them...these are top level raid loot items, why are so many marginal at best?

[Tirisha]

Wouldn't that require that you wear the really horrible belts in those ToD sets?

The belts need to be dramatically improved before people will want to really use them...these are top level raid loot items, why are so many marginal at best?

Eeeeasy now, us sorcs have too be thankful that we will no longer be able to combine all 4 of our savant rings and enjoy not a single advantage over a archmage one

This kinda talk is what led too our current gear crisis. See wizards are smart enough not to ask or demand better gear so anything made for a caster is made for a wizard: Napkin, illusionist robes, diabolist robes, eardweller *and the like* whereas Sorcerers are loud spoken: this angers the devs and leaves us with the scraps of another classes gear: Pally TOD rings, archmagi set, silver concord ring and cloak.

[Coldest]

Using the cold set on the test server there was no change to Caster level or DC on my cold spells, and the +2 maximum caster level was working for the few spells I tested it on (polar ray, freezing sphere, and niacs cold ray)

No credit to the subject? And your the bass turd that started the whole savant nerf anyways. Mr. 100,000 + damage screen shot man. I knew as soon as you posted it...
LOL. I love me.

[Jacoby]

sure sure but is that Damage dice or just the spell lvl(DC)

I lean towards just the DC so its broken.

It is my prediction the fix will come in the next nerf, err mod, err update, err fix, whatever, you know what I mean. They might even break some more spells like fear, whereas the devs cannot seem to remember how the spell was supposed to work in the first place...

[Zerkul]

Ok now i'm almost sure i will not be able to fit everything i need in the equipment ... probably archmagi will be out of it.