Minor/Major Weaken: Which Spells?

[todwag]

NEW: Debuff spells which weaken will saves now scale with level.
Minor weaken effects start at -2 and increase to -4 by level 10, and last for 8 seconds.
Major weaken effects start at -2 and increase to -6 by level 20, and last for 12 seconds.

Release notes contain above but no spell descriptions I can find in the notes or the game have this kind of wording. Anyone know which Debuff spells are being affected?

[Alcamez]

NEW: Debuff spells which weaken will saves now scale with level.
Minor weaken effects start at -2 and increase to -4 by level 10, and last for 8 seconds.
Major weaken effects start at -2 and increase to -6 by level 20, and last for 12 seconds.

Release notes contain above but no spell descriptions I can find in the notes or the game have this kind of wording. Anyone know which Debuff spells are being affected?

Probably Mind Fog but that is only a guess. I am a good guesser though.

[Jaid314]

at a guess, it's referring to the spells they changed to add debuffs...

hypnotism, hypnotic pattern, touch of idiocy, crushing despair, solid fog.

but possibly also mind fog, hard to know.

[Aashrym]

at a guess, it's referring to the spells they changed to add debuffs...

hypnotism, hypnotic pattern, touch of idiocy, crushing despair, solid fog.

but possibly also mind fog, hard to know.

Daze monster has a debuff too.

I'm guessing we should look at which were -3 as minor and which were -5 as major, which makes sense. When I was looking at a couple quickly I didn't see anything indicating which was which.

[GotSomeQuestions]

Crushing Despair is currently applying a 15 second debuff at level 20. I didn't have anyone to do some PvP arena testing, so I'm not sure exactly how much it is debuffing at the moment.

[steelblueskies]

during build 1, hold monster and hold monster mass, both suggestions, both charms, all applied a "vulnerable" buff to mobs in epics. naming conventions aside, i imagine if it has a will save, and can fail, it places a debuff of this nature now. of course i could be noting two different debuff classes, but meh, starting to feel burned out on hopping in and trying to check these things each time i see them..

[Ertay]

Btw, did anyone test yet in which order the effects apply? If the debuff effect comes first, this would effectively be a huge boost to enchantment dcs on those spells, and especially interesting considering mind fog would hit at a -6 and never grants a new save as long as the mobs stay in there. Also, do they stack? I don't suppose so, because that seems rather overpowered.
From the wording in the patch notes it would seem the spell effect applies first, but who knows how these things work...