Please Remove "Echoes of Power"

[talyor]

Any ability the requires you to adjust an entire PRE and part of another one should just be removed. There were no great cheers from the addition of this ability but there has been a massive outcry to the changes attributed to it. Please just remove it and put the related changes back as they were.

Thanks

[Trillea]

/Signed x1000.

[B0ltdrag0n]

/signed.

Considering the number of 'nerf SP POTS' threads on the main board...we dont need another ability for people to whine about. Especially one that makes you 'readjust' things just to include it.

[Bodic]

/agreed & signed

on DDO's impending deathbed

[Jacoby]

/agreed & signed

on DDO's impending deathbed

DDO is fading fast. I spent a week away, came back for an hour and was thoroughly bored. Logged.

Time for DDO2... Have you started it yet Turbine?

[Cyr]

/signed

Yet another random new system added to the game that 'requires' the devs to monkey with everything else. The solution to every percieved issue is not a new system.

[kinar]

/signed

[Cartheron]

yea, /signed

[Darkrok]

Here's the problem.

Echoes of Power as the 'reason' was a red herring. The truth is that Turbine has decided that any class/pre/spec that can benefit from reaction time in the pressing of buttons needs to have that ability toned down. Cooldowns have been lengthened on necro abilities. Nuking SLA's for wizards and sorc's alike have had their cooldowns lengthened. Monk ki generation has been reduced to levels where spamming ki strikes will no longer be an option.

I believe removing 'ability spam' is the real reason for the changes that have been made. Echoes of Power was just a convenient scapegoat.

[Alexandryte]

Here's the problem.

Echoes of Power as the 'reason' was a red herring. The truth is that Turbine has decided that any class/pre/spec that can benefit from reaction time in the pressing of buttons needs to have that ability toned down. Cooldowns have been lengthened on necro abilities. Nuking SLA's for wizards and sorc's alike have had their cooldowns lengthened. Monk ki generation has been reduced to levels where spamming ki strikes will no longer be an option.

I believe removing 'ability spam' is the real reason for the changes that have been made. Echoes of Power was just a convenient scapegoat.

^ This

/not signed for removing Echoes of Power

Echoes is one of the few things that makes playing a caster as a caster bearable to me now. Rather than being completely down and out when Ive exhausted my innate resources on a group I can keep chugging along albeit at a greatly reduced rate.

SP potions are a help but not supposed to be a crutch everything relies on. I should not have to drink potions or buy them from the store because the group is less equipped or hit a rough spot or be expected to on normal runs. I expect myself to be mostly efficient but able to handle snafus in the plan.

[talyor]

^ This

/not signed for removing Echoes of Power

Echoes is one of the few things that makes playing a caster as a caster bearable to me now. Rather than being completely down and out when Ive exhausted my innate resources on a group I can keep chugging along albeit at a greatly reduced rate.

SP potions are a help but not supposed to be a crutch everything relies on. I should not have to drink potions or buy them from the store because the group is less equipped or hit a rough spot or be expected to on normal runs. I expect myself to be mostly efficient but able to handle snafus in the plan.

So you just want to trade a crutch that cost resources for a free one correct?

[Alexandryte]

So you just want to trade a crutch that cost resources for a free one correct?

Cast firewall with Echoes of Power...get back to me on that.

If you are willing to go through the entire quest running on fumes, be my guest. I just don't agree with forcing SP users to chug potions to brute force a dungeon. Nor do I agree with the community that this is an ok (and expected) thing to do.

Most multi target spells of any noteworthy damage are above 12 sp. Only single target nukes, minor heals and repairs and the most base of buffs....and SLAs for those classes that qualify, can be used. You can do some very minor debuffing. And thats it. Keep in mind that you will have to deactivate all metas for non SLA abilities as the costs easily put them over the 12 sp thresh-hold.

If you play smart...you still can pull some weight on a team and help everyone reach that rest shrine just a little ways away.
If you play foolishly you will still die.


So...I stand by my previous statement.

/NOT signed for the removal of Echoes of Power several times over

[Nuckoholic]

Cast firewall with Echoes of Power...get back to me on that.

If you are willing to go through the entire quest running on fumes, be my guest. I just don't agree with forcing SP users to chug potions to brute force a dungeon. Nor do I agree with the community that this is an ok (and expected) thing to do.

Most multi target spells of any noteworthy damage are above 12 sp. Only single target nukes, minor heals and repairs and the most base of buffs....and SLAs for those classes that qualify, can be used. You can do some very minor debuffing. And thats it. Keep in mind that you will have to deactivate all metas for non SLA abilities as the costs easily put them over the 12 sp thresh-hold.

If you play smart...you still can pull some weight on a team and help everyone reach that rest shrine just a little ways away.
If you play foolishly you will still die.


So...I stand by my previous statement.

/NOT signed for the removal of Echoes of Power several times over

Can you tell me how you can cast a 25 base SP cost firewall with echoes of power (which, incidentally, only puts you up back to 12 SP max)? The only spells you'll be likely to use are non meta'd low level buffs or the SLAs.

I don't know if it's just me, but I can tell you what the playstyle of my sorc is not going to be. He is not going to be the type of caster that blows his whole bar as fast as he can, and then waits every 12 seconds to get 12 SP back so he can reap the rewards of SLA spells and 10 SP haste.

If you play smart, you will not need to use SP pots. Honestly, if you are soloing on a caster on almost any non-epic quest, you will easily get through the whole quest while having SP over (in fact on my sorc I can complete most quests without even shrining). For epic quests in the current state of the game, they are way too easy because of mass hold, and there should be absolutely no reason to use SP pots. You can solo them too.

[Engar1]

/signed

If all this collateral damage cites this nanny buff as the cause then it must go. Upsetting half the paying players out there in repeated desperate attempts to lure in a few more free to play testers is foolish and costly each time. I hope those lifetime memberships do not prove significantly shorter after U9.

[SableShadow]

Echoes of Power was just a convenient scapegoat.

Well, "to fix lag" was getting a little old.

[Cyr]

Well, "to fix lag" was getting a little old.

Nah, they are just saving that one for when they turn DDO into a turn based game

[SableShadow]

Nah, they are just saving that one for when they turn DDO into a turn based game

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[kyleann]

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So weird...I was just talking about this game yesterday. Classics never truly age, do they? That game and Fantasy Empires used to suck up all my time long before Diablo 2 forced me to sell my soul...

Edit: +1 by the way for the memories...