New build options from U9

[elujin]

they no longer pause your attacking to perform from what i heard
i guess if you have the feats to spare there an option

[Aaxeyu]

Of course it will work, will it be optimal? probably not, but it will still definitely work, and only requires 3 feats really.

Take a traditional THF dwarven barbarian build and swap the two handed feat lines for the shield feats and you're done. You still have a high dps THF with some options. Perfectly serviceable.

It would be very gimped. Sure, they could take alot of beating, but they wouldn't be able to hold aggro from anyone.

[Seliana]

I have a build idea created by the U9 changes, but there's no way I'm posting it as it will just be hit with a nerf bat before U9 comes out.

I've seen too many aspiring new build concepts get directly targeted for nerfs simply because some Dev thought it would be overpowered.

[elujin]

It would be very gimped. Sure, they could take alot of beating, but they wouldn't be able to hold aggro from anyone.

if spashing 2fightere you could take imp bash and shield mastery and leave the 5%dr (and 3 blocking dr) of imp shield mastery
and take all normal barb feats

you would only "lose" the capstone -3 str -2 con -1 rage rageduration -10% glancing blow dmg and 10% magical effects on glancing

less optimal but i woudn't call it total gimpage

[Myrdinn]

12 monk/ 7 wizard (Death Aura/Zombie - assuming the attack speed debuff is for unarmed only)/ 1 whatever (rogue would work for more sneak damage).

Self-buffing/self-healing x3 crit shortswords in mountain III stance.

That would of course hinge on zombie form not applying the attack speed debuff to all weapons though.

Bad Idea, since with 7 lvl of wizard, you self healing will suck big time, and no other mean of healing yourself than the aura... which will heal you for like 7-8 lol.

If you want to go PM, you need at least 12 lvl of wizard, so the 12wiz/6mnk/2 whatever will still be better.

[Missing_Minds]

call me crazy but always wanted a shield barbarian mebey parred with a bunch of gards

Not crazy to me. Look at how... books always showed vikings. Crazed barbarians using shields.

I'm still waiting to hear how they are going to do the Ravager, let alone Occult Slayer. I can see how ravager could go eaither way, but given how Occult Slayer could actually deflect spells (I hope I'm not making that up. It is way to early for me at the moment.) shield usage makes sense.

That and with the changes I'm VERY tempted to move him to dwarven axe with shield as is. Almost all of my slots are currently covered in guards.

The kicker.. My barb is still the old crit rage II, TWF. I'd probably do more damage over all by swapping over to khopesh's now with the changes to helplesness.

[zealous]

It would be very gimped. Sure, they could take alot of beating, but they wouldn't be able to hold aggro from anyone.

You sure?

To me it seems you could potentially have a higher damage output with S&B than with non-eSOS 2h...

dwarf 18barb/2ftr: cleave, bash, thf line, pa, imp.crit, qd, mastery
+2 axe damage
litII DA or litII GA, cove shield
24 str bonus
9base+2enh+5enh+8pa+10 buffs + 8 items=42 with DA
42-1 enh-5.5 base=35.5
42+2.5base+8pa=52.5 base with GA
7+3.5=10.5 effects holy lightning weapon
Regular bloodstone.

S&B	da	gb	sum	dam	double strike
str	1.45	0.36	1.81	43.35	2.601
bse	1.45	0.36	1.81	72.25	4.335
eff	0.95	0.10	1.05	11.04	0.6624646875
bst	0.50	0.11	0.61	6.74	0.40425
sek	0.60	0.11	0.71	4.28	0.2565
prc	0.95	0.11	1.06	12.68	0.76095
vicious	0.95	0.71	1.66	34.91	2.09475
				185.25	11.1149146875

	S&B	shld	dam
24	str	0.26	6.24
32.5	bse	0.26	8.45
0	eff	0.19	0.00
0	bst	0.07	0.00
0	sek	0.08	0.00
12	prc	0.00	0.00
21	vicious	0.19	3.99
			18.68

	2h	ga	gb	sum	dam
24	str	2.07	0.53	2.60	62.415
52.5	bse	1.45	0.36	1.81	94.828125
10.5	eff	0.95	0.10	1.05	11.041078125
11	bst	0.50	0.11	0.61	6.7375
6	sek	0.60	0.11	0.71	4.275
12	prc	0.95	0.11	1.06	12.6825
21	vicious	0.95	0.71	1.66	34.9125
					226.891703125

So 215/animation for S&B, 227/animation for 2h

2h attack speed
Unboosted: 99.9
Boosted: 113.3
Avg: (19.6*113.3+10*99.9)/30/60~1.789 animations/s

Approximation* of 1h attack speed
Unboosted: 102.2
Boosted: 117.8
Avg: (19.6*117.8+10*102.2)/30/60~1.850

(215*1.850)/(227*1.789)~0.98


*Don't have current 1h attack speed, assuming same as twf. Previous estimations have generally put S&B above 2wf. see eg. http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=172819 and http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=201535

[broolthebeast]

The lighting thief build - 20 dragon marked half elf air savant. Im calling it now. 5 free call lightning storms, no need to spend a feat on evocation focus since the dragon mark of the storm feats let you take the full air savant chain. Cant wait to get tamby tr'ed into one.

[elujin]

Not crazy to me. Look at how... books always showed vikings. Crazed barbarians using shields.

I'm still waiting to hear how they are going to do the Ravager, let alone Occult Slayer. I can see how ravager could go eaither way, but given how Occult Slayer could actually deflect spells (I hope I'm not making that up. It is way to early for me at the moment.) shield usage makes sense.

That and with the changes I'm VERY tempted to move him to dwarven axe with shield as is. Almost all of my slots are currently covered in guards.

The kicker.. My barb is still the old crit rage II, TWF. I'd probably do more damage over all by swapping over to khopesh's now with the changes to helplesness.

i guess your right historically a berzerker was a naked jacked up dude withe hand axe (or spear) and a buckler

You sure?

To me it seems you could potentially have a higher damage output with S&B than with non-eSOS 2h...

dwarf 18barb/2ftr: cleave, bash, thf line, pa, imp.crit, qd, mastery
+2 axe damage
litII DA or litII GA, cove shield
24 str bonus
9base+2enh+5enh+8pa+10 buffs + 8 items=42 with DA
42-1 enh-5.5 base=35.5
42+2.5base+8pa=52.5 base with GA
7+3.5=10.5 effects holy lightning weapon
Regular bloodstone.

S&B	da	gb	sum	dam	double strike
str	1.45	0.36	1.81	43.35	2.601
bse	1.45	0.36	1.81	72.25	4.335
eff	0.95	0.10	1.05	11.04	0.6624646875
bst	0.50	0.11	0.61	6.74	0.40425
sek	0.60	0.11	0.71	4.28	0.2565
prc	0.95	0.11	1.06	12.68	0.76095
vicious	0.95	0.71	1.66	34.91	2.09475
				185.25	11.1149146875

	S&B	shld	dam
24	str	0.26	6.24
32.5	bse	0.26	8.45
0	eff	0.19	0.00
0	bst	0.07	0.00
0	sek	0.08	0.00
12	prc	0.00	0.00
21	vicious	0.19	3.99
			18.68

	2h	ga	gb	sum	dam
24	str	2.07	0.53	2.60	62.415
52.5	bse	1.45	0.36	1.81	94.828125
10.5	eff	0.95	0.10	1.05	11.041078125
11	bst	0.50	0.11	0.61	6.7375
6	sek	0.60	0.11	0.71	4.275
12	prc	0.95	0.11	1.06	12.6825
21	vicious	0.95	0.71	1.66	34.9125
					226.891703125

So 215/animation for S&B, 227/animation for 2h

2h attack speed
Unboosted: 99.9
Boosted: 113.3
Avg: (19.6*113.3+10*99.9)/30/60~1.789 animations/s

Approximation* of 1h attack speed
Unboosted: 102.2
Boosted: 117.8
Avg: (19.6*117.8+10*102.2)/30/60~1.850

(215*1.850)/(227*1.789)~0.98


*Don't have current 1h attack speed, assuming same as twf. Previous estimations have generally put S&B above 2wf. see eg. http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=172819 and http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=201535

not saying your wrong but it doesn't sound/feel right and as a side note a thf barb prob would take full barb levels if not going for stunning blow and thoughness

[QuantumFX]

2monk 1roque 17 cleric as halfling with 1d6+16 sa.
, epic brawling gloves, 2 tod rings with holy burst and elemental burst, wielding holy custom hand wraps of stunning +10 or +6d6 smiting / disrupting / vorpal or any evil 10d6(hand wraps).
and 7-ish haste boosts through items.

No Thanks.

[AtomicMew]

The lighting thief build - 20 dragon marked half elf air savant. Im calling it now. 5 free call lightning storms, no need to spend a feat on evocation focus since the dragon mark of the storm feats let you take the full air savant chain. Cant wait to get tamby tr'ed into one.

What would your feats look like?

DM 1-3
Toughness
Empower
Maximize
Heighten?

Seems kind of tight. You'd probably need to back that up with a caster past life or 9 just to be effective.

[bigolbear]

What would your feats look like?

DM 1-3
Toughness
Empower
Maximize
Heighten?

Seems kind of tight. You'd probably need to back that up with a caster past life or 9 just to be effective.

nice idea except the dragon mark is broken as of the update