New build options from U9

[Sydril]

Interesting build options coming from the U9 changes:

Dwarven Barbarian Shield Wall. Level 20 barbarian or 18 / 2 barbarian fighter

A Frenzied barbarian with 700+ hp, 9/- DR, 25% damage resistance, glancing blows from dwarven axe and 20% off hand shield bashes.


Melee Specced Warforged Earth Savant. Level 20 Sorcerer

An acid specced melee warforged sorcerer focused on strength and con with a 40 DC earthgrab and 500+ HP


Vampiric earth stance Ninja. 6 monk 12 wizard 2 whatever.

Vampiric shrouded earth stanced dark monk with x3 crit shortswords.


Anyone other crazy builds out there coming out of U9?

[Impaqt]

The minor Monk splash Fighter based stunning build will be the flavor of the month.

[Sydril]

The minor Monk splash Fighter based stunning build will be the flavor of the month.

like 18 /2 hand wrap kensai?

[Impaqt]

like 18 /2 hand wrap kensai?

18/2

12/6/2

12/7/1

there will be many variations, but 50ish Stunning Fist and Stunning blow will be the standard across the builds.

[Nebuchanezzar]

The minor Monk splash Fighter based stunning build will be the flavor of the month.

qft



sadly

[Rusty_Can]

Vampiric earth stance Ninja. 6 monk 12 wizard 2 whatever.

Vampiric shrouded earth stanced dark monk with x3 crit shortswords.

This ain't happening: according to current release notes, only Mountain Stances III and IV will provide +1 to critical multipliers of unarmed combat and monk weapons (on rolls of 19 and 20) and Master of Stone requires 12 monk levels.

[Darkrok]

This ain't happening: according to current release notes, only Mountain Stances III and IV will provide +1 to critical multipliers of unarmed combat and monk weapons (on rolls of 19 and 20) and Master of Stone requires 12 monk levels.

12 monk/ 7 wizard (Death Aura/Zombie - assuming the attack speed debuff is for unarmed only)/ 1 whatever (rogue would work for more sneak damage).

Self-buffing/self-healing x3 crit shortswords in mountain III stance.

That would of course hinge on zombie form not applying the attack speed debuff to all weapons though.

[Myrdinn]

12 monk/ 7 wizard (Death Aura/Zombie - assuming the attack speed debuff is for unarmed only)/ 1 whatever (rogue would work for more sneak damage).

Self-buffing/self-healing x3 crit shortswords in mountain III stance.

That would of course hinge on zombie form not applying the attack speed debuff to all weapons though.

Bad Idea, since with 7 lvl of wizard, you self healing will suck big time, and no other mean of healing yourself than the aura... which will heal you for like 7-8 lol.

If you want to go PM, you need at least 12 lvl of wizard, so the 12wiz/6mnk/2 whatever will still be better.

[Xenus_Paradox]

This ain't happening: according to current release notes, only Mountain Stances III and IV will provide +1 to critical multipliers of unarmed combat and monk weapons (on rolls of 19 and 20) and Master of Stone requires 12 monk levels.

Plus you only get x3 on 19-20, which means your DPS is significantly under what you'd get from just going unarmed.

[elujin]

Interesting build options coming from the U9 changes:

Dwarven Barbarian Shield Wall. Level 20 barbarian or 18 / 2 barbarian fighter

A Frenzied barbarian with 700+ hp, 9/- DR, 25% damage resistance, glancing blows from dwarven axe and 20% off hand shield bashes.

love this one think it will work ?

[Impaqt]

Interesting build options coming from the U9 changes:

Dwarven Barbarian Shield Wall. Level 20 barbarian or 18 / 2 barbarian fighter

A Frenzied barbarian with 700+ hp, 9/- DR, 25% damage resistance, glancing blows from dwarven axe and 20% off hand shield bashes.

love this one think it will work ?

um. no.


I do wonder if anyone thought to test the damage reduction from shields with Frenzy though...

[elujin]

um. no.


I do wonder if anyone thought to test the damage reduction from shields with Frenzy though...

you can still use a thf so only capstone would be gone

[Impaqt]

you can still use a thf so only capstone would be gone

Last I checked, you cant use a Two handed weapon and a shield at the same time....

Not sure why you would need the 2 fighter levels anyway.

[elujin]

Last I checked, you cant use a Two handed weapon and a shield at the same time....

Not sure why you would need the 2 fighter levels anyway.

mebey you can't but me on the outher hand ...

no i mean as full dps option the fighter levels are for feats the shield ones

call me crazy but always wanted a shield barbarian mebey parred with a bunch of gards

[butlerfamilywa]

Last I checked, you cant use a Two handed weapon and a shield at the same time....

Not sure why you would need the 2 fighter levels anyway.

Last I checked, Dwarf Axes and Bastard Swords were 1 handed, but used the THF Feats.. giving glancing blows while wearing a shield.

[Sydril]

Interesting build options coming from the U9 changes:

Dwarven Barbarian Shield Wall. Level 20 barbarian or 18 / 2 barbarian fighter

A Frenzied barbarian with 700+ hp, 9/- DR, 25% damage resistance, glancing blows from dwarven axe and 20% off hand shield bashes.

love this one think it will work ?

Of course it will work, will it be optimal? probably not, but it will still definitely work, and only requires 3 feats really.

Take a traditional THF dwarven barbarian build and swap the two handed feat lines for the shield feats and you're done. You still have a high dps THF with some options. Perfectly serviceable.

[elujin]

Of course it will work, will it be optimal? probably not, but it will still definitely work, and only requires 3 feats really.

Take a traditional THF dwarven barbarian build and swap the two handed feat lines for the shield feats and you're done. You still have a high dps THF with some options. Perfectly serviceable.

would be nice to get the thf line in there too but i guess trade offs must be made

Plus you only get x3 on 19-20, which means your DPS is significantly under what you'd get from just going unarmed.

does it count with all monk weapons cous it would turn longswords into khopeshes (khopeshi?)
mebey i am wrong its early here zzz

edite: oh only on a 19-20 roll ?

[Aaxeyu]

Of course it will work, will it be optimal? probably not, but it will still definitely work, and only requires 3 feats really.

Take a traditional THF dwarven barbarian build and swap the two handed feat lines for the shield feats and you're done. You still have a high dps THF with some options. Perfectly serviceable.

It would be very gimped. Sure, they could take alot of beating, but they wouldn't be able to hold aggro from anyone.

[elujin]

It would be very gimped. Sure, they could take alot of beating, but they wouldn't be able to hold aggro from anyone.

if spashing 2fightere you could take imp bash and shield mastery and leave the 5%dr (and 3 blocking dr) of imp shield mastery
and take all normal barb feats

you would only "lose" the capstone -3 str -2 con -1 rage rageduration -10% glancing blow dmg and 10% magical effects on glancing

less optimal but i woudn't call it total gimpage

[zealous]

It would be very gimped. Sure, they could take alot of beating, but they wouldn't be able to hold aggro from anyone.

You sure?

To me it seems you could potentially have a higher damage output with S&B than with non-eSOS 2h...

dwarf 18barb/2ftr: cleave, bash, thf line, pa, imp.crit, qd, mastery
+2 axe damage
litII DA or litII GA, cove shield
24 str bonus
9base+2enh+5enh+8pa+10 buffs + 8 items=42 with DA
42-1 enh-5.5 base=35.5
42+2.5base+8pa=52.5 base with GA
7+3.5=10.5 effects holy lightning weapon
Regular bloodstone.

S&B	da	gb	sum	dam	double strike
str	1.45	0.36	1.81	43.35	2.601
bse	1.45	0.36	1.81	72.25	4.335
eff	0.95	0.10	1.05	11.04	0.6624646875
bst	0.50	0.11	0.61	6.74	0.40425
sek	0.60	0.11	0.71	4.28	0.2565
prc	0.95	0.11	1.06	12.68	0.76095
vicious	0.95	0.71	1.66	34.91	2.09475
				185.25	11.1149146875

	S&B	shld	dam
24	str	0.26	6.24
32.5	bse	0.26	8.45
0	eff	0.19	0.00
0	bst	0.07	0.00
0	sek	0.08	0.00
12	prc	0.00	0.00
21	vicious	0.19	3.99
			18.68

	2h	ga	gb	sum	dam
24	str	2.07	0.53	2.60	62.415
52.5	bse	1.45	0.36	1.81	94.828125
10.5	eff	0.95	0.10	1.05	11.041078125
11	bst	0.50	0.11	0.61	6.7375
6	sek	0.60	0.11	0.71	4.275
12	prc	0.95	0.11	1.06	12.6825
21	vicious	0.95	0.71	1.66	34.9125
					226.891703125

So 215/animation for S&B, 227/animation for 2h

2h attack speed
Unboosted: 99.9
Boosted: 113.3
Avg: (19.6*113.3+10*99.9)/30/60~1.789 animations/s

Approximation* of 1h attack speed
Unboosted: 102.2
Boosted: 117.8
Avg: (19.6*117.8+10*102.2)/30/60~1.850

(215*1.850)/(227*1.789)~0.98


*Don't have current 1h attack speed, assuming same as twf. Previous estimations have generally put S&B above 2wf. see eg. http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=172819 and http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=201535