"Con is not a dumpstat"

[Daggertooth]

I just want to shout a big 'thank you' to all the forum geniuses who have basically branded this into everyone's heads. If these players had ONE TENTH the ability of the amount of hit points they have, I think we'd really be onto something. As of now, there isn't one group I'm in with my bard that doesn't have 2-4 of these failed experiments running around looking for heals. I never fail to cringe after I wand hit myself and my hp goes up like half and I wand hit one of these pileons only to see their hp go up like a sliver. And they run around with this sliver of hit points until they die. Was I supposed to stand there and continue to hit them w/ the wand until they're full? Only so the next guy they run into can put em back at a sliver again? I just don't get it.

[Teech]

Our next big project should be

"Fortification is not an option."

[Truga]

One word: BYOH.

[TheDearLeader]

Con is not a dumpstat.

Can't heal stupid.

These two phrases are not mutually exclusive.

No one expects you to heal stupid.

No one expects you to get one-shotted from full.*

*Certain Restrictions Apply. See Game for Details.

[bryanmeerkat]

I just want to shout a big 'thank you' to all the forum geniuses who have basically branded this into everyone's heads. If these players had ONE TENTH the ability of the amount of hit points they have, I think we'd really be onto something. As of now, there isn't one group I'm in with my bard that doesn't have 2-4 of these failed experiments running around looking for heals. I never fail to cringe after I wand hit myself and my hp goes up like half and I wand hit one of these pileons only to see their hp go up like a sliver. And they run around with this sliver of hit points until they die. Was I supposed to stand there and continue to hit them w/ the wand until they're full? Only so the next guy they run into can put em back at a sliver again? I just don't get it.

So now we are complaining at people for having too many hitpoints ?

New message to instil

"Healing Potions are only for the Pro's " (people respond better to this than "but some pots, nub!"

[Theodores]

When at later game, heals hit for 600 a pop, you will want those hp because it will be wasted if you get to cap. And you, with your 40 hp are waaay more likely to die than those with 80 or 120. Just don't heal these guys, if they have that much hp, they will probably heal themselves. (if not in a raid, these 800 hp won't heal with csw pots!)

[EddieB_TBC]

Sorry bud but if you can full heal any build, much less a bard, with two whips of any wand in the game... well they make this thing called re-roll, and while you are at it please remember that CON is not a dumpstat. :|

[TheDearLeader]

Sorry bud but if you can full heal any build, much less a bard, with two whips of any wand in the game... well they make this thing called re-roll, and while you are at it please remember that CON is not a dumpstat. :|

Solar Phoenix with a Bard Splash? Cure Critical Wand hits him for ~400 HP? Lul. I think I want to roll something that goofy now.

[LoveNeverFails]

I play a cleric. A pretty **** good one too if I may say so myself. And It makes me more mad when i wand whip someone and their bar fills up. Because guess what? when the stinky stuff hits the fan, thats one less person that's gonna be up distracting the bad guys from me (though frankly with the build i'm on now that'll only be necessary on elite).

But really? complaining about too many HPs is ridiculous. Buy some more wands, and get over yourself. Or run with folks that only have 40 HPs and see how far you get.

[Qezuzu]

Solar Phoenix with a Bard Splash? Cure Critical Wand hits him for ~400 HP? Lul. I think I want to roll something that goofy now.

Bards can't be multiclassed with Monks or Paladins, due to alignment restrictions.

Which sucks, because 16bard/2pal/2monk would be the greatest toon in existence.

[morticianjohn]

Sorry bud but if you can full heal any build, much less a bard, with two whips of any wand in the game... well they make this thing called re-roll, and while you are at it please remember that CON is not a dumpstat. :|

Cure critical wand for a lowbie toon at 80 HP could be a max con toon.

[macadope]

I feel the same way about wizards and int. I mean if my dump stat int wiz drinks a pneumonic pot it tops him off because he has no sp. But if a wiz who has invested in int drinks the same pot it only brings him up a sliver. What's the point?

/sarcasm off
Just wanted to demonstrate your logic. Hp is good. No is bad.

[I disagree with your idea about topping yourself off with a wand]

[TheDearLeader]

Bards can't be multiclassed with Monks or Paladins, due to alignment restrictions.

Which sucks, because 16bard/2pal/2monk would be the greatest toon in existence.

Ah yeah...I don't multiclass, so I always forget things like that.

Although to comment, I think 18 Bard/2 Rogue with Helf Pally Dilettante would come close, while actually following the current multiclassing mechanisms allowed.

[Teech]

I feel the same way about wizards and int. I mean if my dump stat int wiz drinks a pneumonic pot it tops him off because he has no sp. But if a wiz who has invested in int drinks the same pot it only brings him up a sliver. What's the point?

/sarcasm off

That's hilarious. *Dreams about dumping int on a wiz and boasting about how I can use sp pot(s) to fill my blue bar...*

[AeliusMaximus]

I just want to shout a big 'thank you' to all the forum geniuses who have basically branded this into everyone's heads. If these players had ONE TENTH the ability of the amount of hit points they have, I think we'd really be onto something. As of now, there isn't one group I'm in with my bard that doesn't have 2-4 of these failed experiments running around looking for heals. I never fail to cringe after I wand hit myself and my hp goes up like half and I wand hit one of these pileons only to see their hp go up like a sliver. And they run around with this sliver of hit points until they die. Was I supposed to stand there and continue to hit them w/ the wand until they're full? Only so the next guy they run into can put em back at a sliver again? I just don't get it.

I hope this is a joke. You do understand that having a "full" red-bar doesn't mean squat if you only have 65 hitpoints total at say level 12, riiiggghhht? Were you supposed to stand there and heal them ... yes. You said it best when you said you just don't get it .... sorry, couldn't resist.

You need to think of hitpoints as your "margin for error" ... and everyone does err. More HP == better. Simple.

Every battle is simply a race to zero hitpoints. The first person/mob to get there ... LOSES!

[stoerm]

I mean if my dump stat int wiz drinks a pneumonic pot

... he's on sick leave for at least a month?
... he needs strong antibiotics?
... he has trouble finding a group?

/getting my coat

[Zion_Halcyon]

At this point, I think I have heard it all -

• Strength is not a dump stat
• Dexterity is not a dump stat
• Constitution is not a dump stat
• Intelligence is not a dump stat
• Wisdom is not a dump stat
• Charisma is not a dump stat

So apparently nothing is a dump stat.

Got it.

We're just one step away from telling people not to spend any ability points ever because you don't want to be accused of dump-statting it.

[Therigar]

I just don't get it.

This ^^^.

The problem here is that neither Daggertooth nor the players he describes "get it."

Let's start with Daggertooth.

Actually, let's not. Anyone who would brag about using cure wands to bring themselves to nearly full hit points for a single charge and rant about how that same single charge barely impacts others can't be reasoned with. So any effort to help him overcome his perception problems is just wasted electrons.

So let's talk about the players he describes. They only exhibit one problem and that is running off to the next encounter before they are fully healed.

In their defense, if they are relying on Daggertooth to be the healer and he refuses to use more than one charge off a cure wounds wand then what option do the players have? I could fault them for not having their own healing. But, if they thought they did have healing -- and that it was Daggertooth -- then what is there to fault?

The solution is for them to dump Daggertooth from the group and to invest in a hireling. The hireling uses its healing without complaining and fills the role it has as a member of the group. Much better than a living player who thinks that they have done all they can to support the group by tossing off a single charge from a cure wand. And a lot better than having to listen to that player whine when they need to use half the wand to bring a single character to full health.

Wands have a place in the game for cures. It isn't as the main source of healing.

One note to Daggertooth (and the dev's as well). AC is meaningless in this game. At low levels it is too easy to have more than enough. At high levels it is too hard to have enough to matter. AC is broken.

This is why players run with huge HP and no AC while counting on bards, clerics and favored souls for healing. It is the poor balance and incomplete design that has driven this.

If Daggertooth wants to see things change he needs to talk to the developers over at Turbine. Until the AC system works and moderate effort at AC improvement at each character level actually results in monsters missing more than they hit -- until then the game is going to stay just as it is.

[phillymiket]

/sarcasm check

/rolls a 3

/Success!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxkOW0a_xAY
Very funny OP

[FuzzyDuck81]

every Battle Is Simply A Race To Zero Hitpoints. The First Person/mob To Get There ... Loses!

Qft