twf paladin build for a friend

[kaipan]

A friend of mine has started a paladin, has only f2p, doesn't want to reroll even if he's lvl 2 and he'd like to be a twf (he took twf at 1st lvl).

This is how I suggested he could go on with his build, he doesn't want to be a total gimp but mostly will play normal or hard quests with a guild of rl friends.

Anything that should be absolutely changed? Thanks

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appalooser 
Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(6 Fighter \ 14 Paladin) 
Hit Points: 312
Spell Points: 270 
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 23
Reflex: 17
Will: 13

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             14                    18
Dexterity            15                    18
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence          8                     8
Wisdom               10                    10
Charisma             14                    16

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               2                     6
Bluff                 2                     4
Concentration         4                    19
Diplomacy             2                     4
Disable Device       n/a                   n/a
Haggle                2                     3
Heal                  2                     8
Hide                  2                     4
Intimidate            2                     4
Jump                  3                    12
Listen                0                     0
Move Silently         2                     4
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                    -1
Search               -1                    -1
Spot                  0                     0
Swim                  3                     8
Tumble                n/a                   5
Use Magic Device      n/a                   4

Level 1 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Heal (+2)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I


Level 2 (Paladin)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I


Level 3 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I


Level 4 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning I


Level 5 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Charisma I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I
Enhancement: Paladin Improved Turning I


Level 6 (Paladin)
Skill: Heal (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty


Level 7 (Fighter)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
Enhancement: Paladin Hunter of the Dead I


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Jump (+2)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Paladin Item Defense I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I


Level 9 (Fighter)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Paladin Devotion I


Level 10 (Fighter)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Paladin Devotion II


Level 11 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good II


Level 12 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II


Level 13 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Strength I


Level 14 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Enhancement: Paladin Redemption I


Level 15 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good III


Level 16 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good III
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning II


Level 17 (Paladin)
Skill: Heal (+2)
Enhancement: Paladin Hunter of the Dead II
Enhancement: Paladin Improved Turning II


Level 18 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands III


Level 19 (Fighter)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II


Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Weapon Defense
Enhancement: Kensei Longsword Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I

[enearh]

I assume he doesn't have much plat, right? So he can't buy +2 dex tome? I'd say put 1 point from lvl ups into dex and eat +1 dex tome (they are cheap on AH) That way he can take GTWF. Rest lvl ups should go into str. As for skills, don't take heal, it's useless. UMD, balance should be the focus.

[NaturalHazard]

how about going 2hf so save a feat? and staying pure to get the most out of being a paladin, weapons of good at level 20? 14 starting str seems a little low...........
also wont have to worry about tome for dex to get 2wf.

Just asking, no expert on the topic.

ok didnt get that bit about not wanting to reroll, but 1 level lost it really isnt much at all.

[kaipan]

Even if he rerolls, he still wants to play as a two weapon fighter, he finds it cooler.

Btw, @enearth: the build already has GTWF, picked at lvl 12!

[NaturalHazard]

Even if he rerolls, he still wants to play as a two weapon fighter, he finds it cooler.

Btw, @enearth: the build already has GTWF, picked at lvl 12!

so no chance of him using a 2handed weapon till he gets gtwf at level 12 right?

[kaipan]

so no chance of him using a 2handed weapon till he gets gtwf at level 12 right?

But why he should? Since he isn't that of an expert I'd rather have him play S&B before he can go TWF full throttle.

[enearh]

Even if he rerolls, he still wants to play as a two weapon fighter, he finds it cooler.

Btw, @enearth: the build already has GTWF, picked at lvl 12!

You used two level ups in dex. You can go one lvl up in dex + 1 dex tome = that way you will save 1 lvl up that can be put in str. Still better to reroll if he is 2lvl. That's like 30 min of playing tbh...

[kaipan]

You used two level ups in dex. You can go one lvl up in dex + 1 dex tome = that way you will save 1 lvl up that can be put in str. Still better to reroll if he is 2lvl. That's like 30 min of playing tbh...

Sure, but even if he rerolls (likely), he won't have plat or cash to buy a tome. That's pretty out of the question.

[NaturalHazard]

Sure, but even if he rerolls (likely), he won't have plat or cash to buy a tome. That's pretty out of the question.

paladin is one of the harder classes to build in terms of spreading build points around, 28 point build, then you want to go 2wf as well, so you dont just need points in str/con/charisma, you need to put at least 15 into dex then have enough points left spread around. and he will need a +2 dex tome to get 2wf or put a level up point into dex and a +1 tome or 2 level ups into dex and only 3 into str............

If hes that dead set on being 2wf why not just go fighter or ranger? wont need to put build points into cha and can concentrate on str/con.

i suggested 2hf till you get greater 2 weapon fighting because its more dps that way untill you get the feat to make 2wf worthwhile, enjoy sword and board, be less dps but of well, with the right gear, might get ac to a point where it might be worthwhile leveling up.


Ask him to come on the forums and look up junts guide to paladins a lot of helpful info in there.

I also want to roll up a 2wf human paladin, but i got the advantage of 32 point builds and +2 tomes.

[elujin]

prob a too broad statment
but the only way to build a good twf 28 point paladin is drow

[kaipan]

prob a too broad statment
but the only way to build a good twf 28 point paladin is drow

He doesn't have that as well ofc.

What's the definition of "good" there? Good for his purposes is "will be able to play all the free quests at normal difficulty in a party of friends without horribly dying everytime."

Is the character good enough for that?

[elujin]

sure thout shoudn't be a prob

mebey try to up str a bit

starting wis of 8 can be do able even with no twink it you will be able to cast all spells at some point

[unbongwah]

While "28-pt TWF F2P paladin w/out tomes" sounds like a one-way ticket to lots of free backpack rides to me , I'll take a stab at it - two, in fact:

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Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(20 Paladin) 
Hit Points: 342
Spell Points: 275 
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 18
Reflex: 13
Will: 9

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             15                    22
Dexterity            16                    17
Constitution         12                    14
Intelligence          8                     8
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             14                    16

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 20
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 20
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 20

Level 1 (Paladin)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Paladin)


Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh


Level 4 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: DEX


Level 5 (Paladin)


Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 7 (Paladin)


Level 8 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Paladin)


Level 11 (Paladin)


Level 12 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Paladin)


Level 14 (Paladin)


Level 15 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 16 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 17 (Paladin)


Level 18 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 19 (Paladin)


Level 20 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Paladin Weapons of Good
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery III
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice III
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite II
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite III
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite IV
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil III
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil IV
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice I
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice II
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness III
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness IV
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might II

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Level 20 Lawful Good Elf Female
(20 Paladin) 
Hit Points: 342
Spell Points: 275 
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 18
Reflex: 14
Will: 9

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    22
Dexterity            16                    18
Constitution         12                    14
Intelligence          8                     8
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             14                    16

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 20
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 20
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 20

Level 1 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Paladin)


Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 4 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: DEX


Level 5 (Paladin)


Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 7 (Paladin)


Level 8 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Paladin)


Level 11 (Paladin)


Level 12 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Paladin)


Level 14 (Paladin)


Level 15 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 16 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 17 (Paladin)


Level 18 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 19 (Paladin)


Level 20 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Paladin Weapons of Good
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Attack I
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Attack II
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Damage II
Enhancement: Undying Call
Enhancement: Follower of the Undying Court
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Righteousness I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice III
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite II
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite III
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite IV
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil III
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil IV
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice I
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice II
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness III
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness IV
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning I