Re: LFM use/abuse

[rodallec]

if it doesnt say zerg it shouldnt be up there

[nolaureltree000]

im afraid i dont see the problem here. people are using the grouping tool to form groups. i dont see how anyone is inconvenienced by it. im not trying to be rude, i just really dont understand how private LFMs are hurting anything.

plus many people have toons in multiple guilds.

[LoveNeverFails]

im afraid i dont see the problem here. people are using the grouping tool to form groups. i dont see how anyone is inconvenienced by it. im not trying to be rude, i just really dont understand how private LFMs are hurting anything.

plus many people have toons in multiple guilds.

this.

I hate saying things that may make feathers ruffle, but I don't get why this bothers you that much. Grouping tab is to get groups. In larger guilds, putting up an LFM makes it easier. Don't like it? Start your own lfm. -shrug-

[KillEveryone]

Nothing wrong with private or a LFM saying guild run.

There may be some on a friends list that is in a different guild.



Abuse is the LFMs that have...

Looking for a guild ship that has alters.
Looking to sell large devil scales.

I've been seeing this a lot more lately.

[bendover]

So you are saying there is no way to build a FVS that would make it a sub par healer at best? Now I have no problem solo healing a shroud... but if I was grouping with this guy I would at least like a heads up that I am doing that... seems to me his LFM would tell me that.

I think you're missing my point. Why would you wait for someone to do something that you could already do? I never said one thing about building a FVS any particular way, but if a pure 20 FVS won't heal because he says he's "DPS" that's just a fail player.

[Sarisa]

I have no problem with the "private" LFM's. It's easier for guilds with members who happen to have alts in another guild, "honorary" members, or allied guilds. These people will not be able to see the guild chat, so it gives them a way to still know when a raid is starting.

[Hendrik]

Not sure if it is against the rules, but what is up lately with some of the guilds lately using the LFM to get a group together (i.e. saying private - so and so guild only)
1. You are in a guild together
2. you have guild chat that you can ask for people to run a quest with you (many guilds also have teamspeak or vent, so its even easier to ask your guildies to run quests)
3. you have a guild roster that you can sort by who is online
4. you can invite from the guild tab list
5. I dont care how many people you have in your guild you can use the guild tab to organize your party

If you want others to join in for the fun or horror once your guild members have joined you then by all means advertise to look for others to join a so-and-so guild run, but it makes you look stupid to put private on the LFM (especially when it doesnt fill after 30 min...hahahaha).

This is not to be confused with someone who has a group up and they put - 1 or more spots saved for so-and-so. Most likely they got some tells and someone is switching, so I completely understand that. Also, don't confuse it with the LFM's that say that they are being picky, due to the nature of some quests I understand that not all characters are suited for the quest...myddo is our friend....

OK, venting over. I hope that the LFM's on Sarlona will no longer have guild run only parties up, that is all.

Only 'abuse' that happens in this case are the people trying to join the PRIVATE or GUILD LFM's.

No greater joy then denying those that can't read.

/decline OP again.

[elixer1]

There are way worse abuses of LFMs than this. The private LFMs can be ignored (note to devs: LFM "for guild only" checkbox?"

The LFMs for selling, guild recruiting, etc. Those annoy me.

[ColsonJade]

Only 'abuse' that happens in this case are the people trying to join the PRIVATE or GUILD LFM's.

No greater joy then denying those that can't read.

/decline OP again.

90% of the time private or guild only groups take you when you hit their LFM. Usually they forgot or are to lazy to change the description when all the people they had coming are in.

And what is the wrong with hitting the lfm? The worse they can say is no and decline you. There is no greater joy then being the only pug in a "private/guild" group and pulling that SoS shard/+4 tome/etc.

[mws2970]

There are way worse abuses of LFMs than this. The private LFMs can be ignored (note to devs: LFM "for guild only" checkbox?"

The LFMs for selling, guild recruiting, etc. Those annoy me.

Lately it has been "Can I get an invite to a huge guild's ship with an altar so I can craft?"

[elixer1]

Lately it has been "Can I get an invite to a huge guild's ship with an altar so I can craft?"

Good one! That annoys me too, especially since I begged folks from the larger guilds last night to let me on their ship to craft. I don't feel good about myself, but I did it without abusing an LFM, and the person who helped me out was very kind about it.

[Elixxer]

I think you're missing my point. Why would you wait for someone to do something that you could already do? I never said one thing about building a FVS any particular way, but if a pure 20 FVS won't heal because he says he's "DPS" that's just a fail player.

I agree here, maybe not with fail. "Single minded" is how I'd put it. Honestly you can totally get enough healing out of those sps on a DPS spec right? Well I've seen enough good and bad fvs.

Looking for a guild ship that has alters.
Looking to sell large devil scales.

I've been seeing this a lot more lately.

All the time. I send them a tell explaining what they are doing but they never reply to me.

There are way worse abuses of LFMs than this. The private LFMs can be ignored (note to devs: LFM "for guild only" checkbox?"

The LFMs for selling, guild recruiting, etc. Those annoy me.

Nice forum name .

[Ragons]

My pet peeve with LFMs is that people don't know how to remove icons for classes they don't want. They have a group of 5 already and looking for a certain class. They write 'Need xxxx' in the comment field but don't adjust the class icons. Is it that hard to uncheck the icon box?

[Hendrik]

90% of the time private or guild only groups take you when you hit their LFM. Usually they forgot or are to lazy to change the description when all the people they had coming are in.

And what is the wrong with hitting the lfm? The worse they can say is no and decline you. There is no greater joy then being the only pug in a "private/guild" group and pulling that SoS shard/+4 tome/etc.

And then watch the grp foam at the mouth when I read that +4 CHA tome on my Horc.

Priceless.

[Kages]

Not sure if it is against the rules, but what is up lately with some of the guilds lately using the LFM to get a group together (i.e. saying private - so and so guild only)
1. You are in a guild together
2. you have guild chat that you can ask for people to run a quest with you (many guilds also have teamspeak or vent, so its even easier to ask your guildies to run quests)
3. you have a guild roster that you can sort by who is online
4. you can invite from the guild tab list
5. I dont care how many people you have in your guild you can use the guild tab to organize your party

If you want others to join in for the fun or horror once your guild members have joined you then by all means advertise to look for others to join a so-and-so guild run, but it makes you look stupid to put private on the LFM (especially when it doesnt fill after 30 min...hahahaha).

This is not to be confused with someone who has a group up and they put - 1 or more spots saved for so-and-so. Most likely they got some tells and someone is switching, so I completely understand that. Also, don't confuse it with the LFM's that say that they are being picky, due to the nature of some quests I understand that not all characters are suited for the quest...myddo is our friend....

OK, venting over. I hope that the LFM's on Sarlona will no longer have guild run only parties up, that is all.

No offense intended, just making a point. Judging a GROUPING tab for someone using to form there private GROUP is like me giving you -1rep for making a thread about said stupidity.

[LazyTigerLily]

Sure he doesn't have to heal, but then again it's his reputation and not mine. But let's get real for a second and why would a 20 WF FvS hosting a shroud lfm choose not to heal and wait for one, or possibly two more healers when he is more then capable of solo healing.

You and I both know that doesn't make sense, because if he thinks he's solely DPS he's a fail. No competent player is going to host an lfm with that type of heading. I wouldn't host a shroud on my pure 20 Bard and say, "I'm not going to play songs, will need another Bard". That's ridiculous.

I'm thinking about making LFMs with my rogue that say something like "need DPS I am not - Traps only." just to see how people respond

Thing is, any player can focus on one specific ability, that's easy. It is making a well rounded character that can fill many spots that make the player good.

To the OP, I understand your frustration, but I would like to offer the reasoning behind my guilds private LFM. When I do set up a private one, I usually put private for now, will open soon. This is to allow guildies who have alts in other guilds the chance to hit it on said alt and get in. After a few minutes when all have had the chance, we take down the private and put open for all.

That being said, what can be irritating is when we try to do a 2/3 guild raid and put out an LFM saying private, know the toons from other guilds who are coming, and still get 10 to 20 other people who ignore the LFM and try to join. In a Normal PUG, we take first come first serve, but on the rare occasions when we are being selective( not for certain builds or clerics or tanks/kiters/ etc.) there is a reason for it. For us it's more of a way to coordinate without have to go through a ton of tells. If you ever see a Creeping Death Private LFM and want to join, just send a tell and if we will be opening it, or might have room, we will respond. Blindly hitting the LFM when it says private can just be plain rude.

Ever think that creating an external guild chat channel may help with this?? That's how we handle putting together guild groups with toons or heck even players in other guilds. Create a new channel and just have them say "ready" or whatever when they log in. Makes it a hell of a lot easier and there is no confusion as to who is in guild and on an out of guild toon. If the person leading the group isn't smart enough to be able to invite people from a chat channel, then you may want to reconsider having them lead a group.

Creating an external chat channel is easy as is talking in one. Make a channel and put it in your guild's motd and, voila! problem solved.

[mws2970]

Creating an external chat channel is easy as is talking in one. Make a channel and put it in your guild's motd and, voila! problem solved.

I'm glad you mentioned this. My guild has this and when we group with people we like and want to run with again, we give them the info. That way when we need to fill spots, we throw it out on guild chat first, our channel second, then put up a LFM last.

[brian14]

Those are some good ones, but my favorite are the, "Need healers I'm not one" says the level 20 WF Favored Soul...

/facepalm

Does this actually happen??

[Sarisa]

Does this actually happen??

Unfortunately yes, very often. There are I believe three WF Lord of the Blade FvS's that put up these types of LFM's on Sarlona.

[BansheeMalthus]

I'm thinking about making LFMs with my rogue that say something like "need DPS I am not - Traps only." just to see how people respond

Thing is, any player can focus on one specific ability, that's easy. It is making a well rounded character that can fill many spots that make the player good.


Ever think that creating an external guild chat channel may help with this?? That's how we handle putting together guild groups with toons or heck even players in other guilds. Create a new channel and just have them say "ready" or whatever when they log in. Makes it a hell of a lot easier and there is no confusion as to who is in guild and on an out of guild toon. If the person leading the group isn't smart enough to be able to invite people from a chat channel, then you may want to reconsider having them lead a group.

Creating an external chat channel is easy as is talking in one. Make a channel and put it in your guild's motd and, voila! problem solved.

I have toyed with this at times, but the general consensus was no. People either didnt have enough space on their screen for a new channel, or tried to keep up with all channels and got overwhelmed. My thing is though, that all guildies/Honorary Guildies/ and Good Friends in game who know us, know to hit our private LFM before we open it. IMHO a private LFM is no different than one requesting a certain class, as it still limits who can join. Several of our friends have our Vent info and regularly join, just as several members run on comps old enough that using a seperate Voice server is not an option. TBF though, if one sees a private LFM, and it says private, why would you try to hit it? As far as inviting from a chat channel goes, my wife and I both play and its in the same room. If I host a group, but have to go afk for a sec to help son, or feed dog, or get dinner, whatever it is, it is certainly easier for her to click the accept tab in the popup group tab, than it is for her to search around my screen layout. I run a very high resoulution, and if you arent used to my layout, its almost impossible to read and find anything, but a grouping tab left in the middle of the screen is fairly obvious...