Re: LFM use/abuse

[Draccus]

We had a guild on Ghallanda that was famous for this. It was their way of thumping their chests. "Hey, look everyone, we're running Shroud!"

They would post "Shroud - Private - <guildname> only!"

The LFM would never fill so they were obiously only doing it so that other people could see they were running a raid. I think the rest of us were supposed to be impressed.

[Dozen_Black_Roses]

I have no problem with the "private" LFM's. It's easier for guilds with members who happen to have alts in another guild, "honorary" members, or allied guilds. These people will not be able to see the guild chat, so it gives them a way to still know when a raid is starting.

Now this I can see. Our guild is an exclusive one so we do not have toons in other guilds, but when I played on Thelanis and Ghallanda I had toons in multiple guilds, and when chat channels started it was quite helpful.

I believe what the OP is posting about is the LFM's that stay up for hours marked private, or it really is not clear it is truly private. I have seen a certain guild put their initials in the text area and private, and within a short period of time, it fills, and I see no problem with that. However, I see more and more private lfms that stay up longer and longer, and especially when only certain classes are listed, I start to wonder if they truly are private or are just trying to use it as a screening mechanism. Either way, it does not really bother me, but it ranks of slight annoyance to be in a mood to pug and there are multiple private lfms up which stay up. Again minor annoyance personally, but I can see the point.

[rezo]

My biggest beef, is the LFMs that are up for days...

LFMs are like erections, if they are up more than 4 hours, there is a problem.

+1 rep, LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cyr]

I'm sure it's not against the 'rules'. It is in poor form to have any sort of spam type LFM's up, including guild only runs for hours on end.

[Original]

I think you're missing my point. Why would you wait for someone to do something that you could already do? I never said one thing about building a FVS any particular way, but if a pure 20 FVS won't heal because he says he's "DPS" that's just a fail player.

Your talking to scooters Scoots... they will never understand.

[bendover]

No offense intended, just making a point. Judging a GROUPING tab for someone using to form there private GROUP is like me giving you -1rep for making a thread about said stupidity.

You can't hand out -1 rep to anyone just an FYI. You need 10 more green bars.

[karudo]

at this point in the thread i am really trying to think of something cute, insightful or even clever to say but one smart comment in a sea of stupid is well fruitless much like neg rep for different opinions, private lfm i get it ppl coming together from multiple guilds, friends, and friends of friends for a quest, guild only lfm is another story, i say when u see these lfm's and ur in a guild just give it a click if they decline and u make the listed critera well thers always a squelch command and if they say something about ur guild not getting in report them, now b4 bagging on that as trolls will. guild only lfm should be a violation like american only or chinese only for example, now u will repeat "well people are in different guilds yea but then is it really guild only or just private, hmmm something for slow people to think about have fun feel free to neg rep i like to see who cries

[iraiqat316]

There is no rule or game mechanic that says guilds can't use the LFM so get over it. Or cry like a baby about it. I will still use a GUILD ONLY lfm to help facilitate Guild play.

[LordPiglet]

So you are saying there is no way to build a FVS that would make it a sub par healer at best? Now I have no problem solo healing a shroud... but if I was grouping with this guy I would at least like a heads up that I am doing that... seems to me his LFM would tell me that.

It is, the odd thing is though, that widson dumped melee FvS are actually easier to heal with then an envoker build since they have less spell choices then a max wisdom build.

Seriously, I don't consider myself a great "healer", and I did 6 shrouds saturday with only issues in one of them. I've healed multiple Von's and spartan style DQ's. You might as well grab some healing spec's because frankly most of the other enhancements aren't worth it.

Although, that trend has helped me get very very few "can you come heal xxx" tells on my fvs.


Back to the original topic, I don't really find an issue with them. Infact sometimes you might even ask they "private" leader if they have a spot and get one. I know I've done it with a couple of the "private lfm" guilds.

[Ilindith]

Private group.
Public LFM panel.
Find the problem.

[Grieve]

Private group.
Public LFM panel.
Find the problem.

Oh! Oh! I think I figured it out. We need to bug Turbine to make a "Private LFM panel". Right?

[Ilindith]

Oh! Oh! I think I figured it out. We need to bug Turbine to make a "Private LFM panel". Right?

I know you're joking, but I will explain what I meant. What I mean is...if the group is so "private", then please keep it that way and don't post it. These groups annoy me cause they are such a ****ing tease. It's like

"Oh I'm off timer for VoD, let's see if there's one up"
"We have one! But you can't join lulz!"

And they sometimes stay there for so long it's just ridiculous. It's like they're PUGing within their own guild.
"Hey guys I'm putting an Abbot up, I'll make it private for our guild and wait half an hour see if any of you want to join"
And then after waiting all that time they open it up for others.

JUST STOP TEASING US! >.<
Please, use your guild chats, use tells, use TS or w/e and fill your groups privately. It's not hard to start a group without posting it. Talk to guildies/friends, invite those that want to join.

--->IF<--- you do not fill that way you are more than welcome to post it for us noobs that have to PUG raids cause we're not in big guilds that can gather enough people to run one.

[LordPiglet]

As I said, you can always send a tell asking. Besides some of the "private" lfm's open up, and frankly I don't want to run with some of the others

[Hendrik]

I know you're joking, but I will explain what I meant. What I mean is...if the group is so "private", then please keep it that way and don't post it. These groups annoy me cause they are such a ****ing tease. It's like

"Oh I'm off timer for VoD, let's see if there's one up"
"We have one! But you can't join lulz!"

And they sometimes stay there for so long it's just ridiculous. It's like they're PUGing within their own guild.
"Hey guys I'm putting an Abbot up, I'll make it private for our guild and wait half an hour see if any of you want to join"
And then after waiting all that time they open it up for others.

JUST STOP TEASING US! >.<
Please, use your guild chats, use tells, use TS or w/e and fill your groups privately. It's not hard to start a group without posting it. Talk to guildies/friends, invite those that want to join.

--->IF<--- you do not fill that way you are more than welcome to post it for us noobs that have to PUG raids cause we're not in big guilds that can gather enough people to run one.

OR, if you do not want to be 'teased' with what some other Guild is doing, step up and make your OWN LFM and take your chances that way.

Until then, people are going to use the LFM, as intended, to make and fill private groups with trusted friends, guildmates, and friends of guild to avoid smacktards.

It's easy to tell large guilds to use Guild chat to form Guild Groups when you only have one member, harder when you have several hundred.

[Grimgore]

I love LFM abuse, mostly because I need laughs when I am playing. Best one (as of recent) on G-Land was last night: 19-20 Shroud normal, BYOH, Link Harry Beater, Ship buffs available to all who need.

Really?

[RangerOne]

My guild routinely uses the LFM because that is what it is for. It is possible to miss a line in guild chat. (I know, I've done it) so the LFM is the most efficient way to communicate. Also, once the guild portion has filled, it can easily be rewritten to bring in others.

At the risk of sounding rude to the original poster, it is really a non-issue. Someone else's post does not affect you in any way.

[Ilindith]

harder when you have several hundred.

Then why have so many that it becomes unmanageable?
/cast Protection from Fire

[Hendrik]

Then why have so many that it becomes unmanageable?
/cast Protection from Fire

Very easy to manage.

Put up LFM, mark PVT, tell Guild, "LFM on me!"

Easy.



With an active Guild, and by extension active guild chat, can imagine how easy it is to loose requests for invites in that mess.

[Kages]

You can't hand out -1 rep to anyone just an FYI. You need 10 more green bars.

Sarcasm... learn it bro. Just showing a point.

[Ilindith]

Very easy to manage.

Put up LFM, mark PVT, tell Guild, "LFM on me!"

Easy.



With an active Guild, and by extension active guild chat, can imagine how easy it is to loose requests for invites in that mess.

And that's the problem I pointed out first time...private parties on a public LFM panel. I just personally think they do not belong there.