All is not well with Melee changes

[moorewr]

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[Bodic]

ok this is my silly question.

does the smite,disruption, or banish still have a really low save along with the nat 20 +confirm to work?
If that is the case then they are now all junk as insta-kills.

[kyebosh]

The vorpal strike should work as normal, provided the target has less than one thousand hit points. If the target has less than 1,000 hit points, and you roll a natural 20, and you confirm that hit, and the target is able to be vorpaled, it should die.

On face value I see a problem with Disruption (if it's coded as per this description):

vs Undead (excluding Vampires)

• HP < 1,000 - YES
• Roll = 20 - YES
• Confirm - YES
• Target Vorpable - NO

Most undead cannot be Vopraled, thus no disruption?

[Marten]

On face value I see a problem with Disruption (if it's coded as per this description):

vs Undead (excluding Vampires)

• HP < 1,000 - YES
• Roll = 20 - YES
• Confirm - YES
• Target Vorpable - NO

Most undead cannot be Vopraled, thus no disruption?

That is correct, and it is a bug... they will have to figure out a way to let the new mechanics work on undead and for Smiting most constructs while not allowing to work on Portals and other special cases.

[Solmage]

They have told us the playerbase time and time again that threads like this are NOT bug reports, and do not have the visibility of real bug reports. This is why things that are complained about forever don't get worked on, while they work on things that actually DO get bug reports.

You are amusingly assuming it's the players responsibility to find bugs and then make sure they get fixed. It is not. It is Turbine's salaried QA's department, whose job was made much easier thanks to this thread, which is already way above and beyond as is.

[Coldin]

*didn't read through the whole thread*

When I was testing out Banishment on TWF rapiers, it seemed to be using the vorpal effect just fine. Well, I saw it happen once, at least.

[Ironforge_Clan]

You are amusingly assuming it's the players responsibility to find bugs and then make sure they get fixed. It is not. It is Turbine's salaried QA's department, whose job was made much easier thanks to this thread, which is already way above and beyond as is.

We know from past experience that the player base does a much better job at finding bugs then the salaried QAs or the test server(s). If it wasn't for our preview server and some very dedicated players most if not all of the issues on the Lam boards would probably have already found themselves onto the live servers.

[Thorzian]

You're right of course, I had overlooked that. I still hope this is a bug. Proc-on-confirmed-20 would be reasonable, if it's too much less than that it starts to become a bit pointless since most things will simply die from loss of HP.

that's already too far gone to be viable. smiting or banishing on 20's only now...after run down to <1000hp? even worse disruption! the reasons to carry anything other then greensteel and epic weapons just went down by 4 in my book. power 5's are dead. good job turbine

[kingfisher]

You are amusingly assuming it's the players responsibility to find bugs and then make sure they get fixed. It is not. It is Turbine's salaried QA's department, whose job was made much easier thanks to this thread, which is already way above and beyond as is.

turbines qa, ha

[Drfirewater79]

Right. So what I am reporting here and in bug reports:
No on-hit 4d6 damage, at least not that could see in the combat log or on screen.
No on-20 death when the effect procs.. I am seeing 100hp damage pop up then, but the mob does not appear to save-or-die (or just die).

Did you test it with all extra damage procs off? Best way to test this would be to take a character and remove all his gear and use a blank disruptor. Dont do it on a rouge or ninja spy monk or halfling guile toon cause they have extra damage mods.

Damage output should be (on live) one damage number normally but on lama it should be TWO damage numbers .. basic physical and this special damage. Also important to note .. what kind of damage is the 100 .. if its alignment damage constructs and undead are immune and thus will not take this damage.

(please note i did not and dont plan to test this feature cause i dont care ... not suggesting you didnt test it this way. BUT if you didnt it would be a easy way to take a photo of the combat log or fraps video of the damage numbers to prove your point and avoid others from discrediting you wrongly.)

[moorewr]

Did you test it with all extra damage procs off? Best way to test this would be to take a character and remove all his gear and use a blank disruptor. Dont do it on a rouge or ninja spy monk or halfling guile toon cause they have extra damage mods.

Damage output should be (on live) one damage number normally but on lama it should be TWO damage numbers .. basic physical and this special damage. Also important to note .. what kind of damage is the 100 .. if its alignment damage constructs and undead are immune and thus will not take this damage.

(please note i did not and dont plan to test this feature cause i dont care ... not suggesting you didnt test it this way. BUT if you didnt it would be a easy way to take a photo of the combat log or fraps video of the damage numbers to prove your point and avoid others from discrediting you wrongly.)

I wasn't necessarily all that scientific, but I did take off my guard items and only use one weapon.. also I did use a rogue, because he's a finesse character and on his own I figured I could keep his dps down enough to get natural-20-on-target-below-1000-hp results.

So far it appears the damage from the 4d6 effect and the 100pointer on confirmed 20 is logged as untyped.

Also, look at Shade and Binnsr's posts here for screen shots:
http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p...0&postcount=41

http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p...8&postcount=56

[Tarkenius]

You are amusingly assuming it's the players responsibility to find bugs and then make sure they get fixed. It is not. It is Turbine's salaried QA's department, whose job was made much easier thanks to this thread, which is already way above and beyond as is.

turbines qa, ha

lets give credit where credit is due

giving them the benefit of the doubt they do their best and a great job

but, they are what, 5, 6 12 even 20 people at most?

player base on Lamma alone is what? thousands? if not more, all with their own play styles and ideas to test things?

who do you think is going to be able to find more things? 20 people fully dedicated or thousands of people all playing with their own ideas and methods?

[kingfisher]

lets give credit where credit is due

giving them the benefit of the doubt they do their best and a great job

but, they are what, 5, 6 12 even 20 people at most?

player base on Lamma alone is what? thousands? if not more, all with their own play styles and ideas to test things?

who do you think is going to be able to find more things? 20 people fully dedicated or thousands of people all playing with their own ideas and methods?

gimme a break, this game has more bugs than a dead body in the everglades. always has. and fyi, the players ARE turbines qa. and beta testers. and paying customers. they take advantage of the rabid dorkiness of the player base and cheap their way through as much of the game cost as they can.

[moorewr]

Haven't tested our various proposed bugs again since the last downtime, stay tuned.

I've been thinking about the variable DR we're seeing - I read.. somewhere.. that the DR calculation was changing so that it would not exceed half your damage (assuming you did <DR*2). I can't seem to find it in the release notes, but that seems very familiar.