Caster DPS needs nerfed MORE (or not boosted from current dps), SLAs are enough

[crazydamage]

Pre U9 casters ALREADY dominate with straight DPS even before enhancement changes / savants.

Arcanes absolutely tear up any epic quest solo farming endless pack of monsters.
Melees cannot even hope to kill more than a few monsters solo.

Casters have way more DPS and their dps has both AOE and Range. Melees have neither AOE nor Range.
It takes a good caster literally seconds to kill an entire pack of monsters in Epic von1, Fens or Chrono (starting fight).

Casters currently need to rely on cold in Devil raids, because guess what? Devil Raid bosses have fire immunity and cold/acid resistance which is an artificial bubble world for people that spend time only in shroud. These people THINK that casters have low dps because they do nothing but run shroud and low lvl quests where the bosses are fire immune.

Open your eyes and realize it takes a caster mere SECONDS to drop the fire elemental lieutenant in part 2 shroud, or the mobs in Fens/Von which get hit for purple damage with fire.

-So why don't we see more than 1-2 casters per raid? Artificial bubble world where devils are fire immune. (And even still a good eardweller caster using cold/force can pull his weight).

-Why don't we see 6 caster epic groups? We could, except there arent enough COMPETENT casters on the servers. 6 caster epic group would tear everything to pieces Pre U9 until they hit a red name with ridiculously high HP.

Summary:
1. Pre U9 Casters already DESTROY every trash mob in the game from the minute you get Fireball, all the way to level 20 and in all epics.

2. Casters Pre-u9 can't do much in fights with red names who have high HP and fire immunity (ToD, VoD). NOTE casters CAN pull their weight with DPS in shroud.

3. U9 already addresses point #2 by giving us SLA for sustained reasonable dps for red name boss fights AND by giving us a bigger selection of Non-fire and cold spells (ELEC + ACID) AND by un-coupling fire/cold enhancements and allowing us to spec 2 or more lineages to bypass elemental immunities.

4. There is no way casters should have sustained DPS equal to melee. The minute you give casters equal dps to melee is the minute that melee becomes useless. Casters have AOE + Range. Melee does not.

[Astraghal]

Casters were already ragingly overpowered pre-U9.

It's going to be even easier for them to solo farm post-U9.

Melee's will just be a tag along audience again.

[fuzzy1guy]

I agree. Just nerf casters right off the table so we stop even trying.
It would save alot of time and grief.


Autoattack with a khopesh ftw!

[Dawnsfire]

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Am I the only one that finds it a bit humorous that a person called 'crazydamage' wants to nerf caster damage

[Sandman_3111]

Am I the only one that finds it a bit humorous that a person called 'crazydamage' wants to nerf caster damage

Nah, in the same light I do find it amusing as well. Take a good player and put him or her behind the seat of any class and they can farm epic trash, melee or caster from both schools.

[nisbik]

apparently this guys has never played a caster. lol. they aren't DPS. let me give a better perspective.

casters dps spells.

Firewall. NERFED.
Wail of deadsheep. NERFED
Finger of death. SEMI NERFED

take those 3 away and casters got nerfed.

oh and implosion, NERFED.

so this is a balence to improved DPS over all to balence the guess what. NERFING.

if your going to troll, or in english whine "oh Help me i need you to nerf classes i dont play to make me better" at least know what your talking about. oh and go ahead and point out every flaw in this post, if it makes you feel better, casters got nerfed.

[Zirun]

You're absolutely right! Ranged weapons don't exist, the Cleave abilities aren't getting buffed to actually be usable, and these changes are absolutely final and can in no way be changed at any point in the future.

[Bodic]

/agreed
I almost failed a solo elite reaver on my FvS. I had to shut my lazer down, remove all guards, and shield block for the last two heads and fly.

I swear he had 200 HP left at the most, before I could go after the switch

[sweez]

/agreed
I almost failed a solo elite reaver on my FvS. I had to shut my lazer down, remove all guards, and shield block for the last two heads and fly.

I swear he had 200 HP left at the most, before I could go after the switch

I almost kill the reaver every time I tank with my wis-based caster FvS on Live, post-U9 it will actually require paying attention.

[Emili]

apparently this guys has never played a caster. lol. they aren't DPS. let me give a better perspective.

casters dps spells.

Firewall. NERFED.
Wail of deadsheep. NERFED
Finger of death. SEMI NERFED

take those 3 away and casters got nerfed.

oh and implosion, NERFED.

so this is a balence to improved DPS over all to balence the guess what. NERFING.

... I've seen eight casters take down Harry on hard quicker than eight of the best geared melee could even dream of. Oh and they did not use any of those spells listed.

Nah, in the same light I do find it amusing as well. Take a good player and put him or her behind the seat of any class and they can farm epic trash, melee or caster from both schools.

Which is very true ... and in the light of the days of early necropolis - Oh, I remember those days so well, my wiz flagged for abbot in a day, my melee a week - Oh yes, all the great players (caster and melee) hung up their melee grabbed their sorc dusted, tweaked and sported lfms with (Caster, Cleric) - melees need not apply - we want this done fast.


ps: Was common place, only the gimp groups took melee in - at first - eventually no one did... The power gamer grabs their best power gaming tool and tricks it out.

No not preaching doom nor gloom ... no complaints just seen what the player mind-set is at the upper ends.

[Emili]

Trolling or not, he is still correct: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=311551

Yes, I know... is little these people remember nor realize what casting power they have.

[Lycurgus]

Trolling or not, he is still correct: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=311551

Nah, he's just fallen subject to this melee hysteria revolving around whose number is bigger.

The chart, as I said in the other thread, is nice. How closely it resembles reality is another question.

[Emili]

Nah, he's just fallen subject to this melee hysteria revolving around whose number is bigger.

The chart, as I said in the other thread, is nice. How closely it resembles reality is another question.

... and what would you say if I told you I was in a shroud (on hard) 'bout 12 months ago... Harry died in part 4 before the blades come started circling form to even come in, the casters still had half a mana bar ... all eight of them - rest of the party was my 20th lvl barb, a 16th lvl fighter, a cleric and a bard. Pre-U9 and casters pack the heat.

[domecek1]

Its weird... You cannot do caster and do same thing? I already did caster for this reason, so wheres the problem? Btw, with higher mobs saves it will be probably tougher, then it is now...

Guys, realy, nerfing is a wrong way.

Anybody here already tried to solo some epics in u8 and u9?


EDIT: if casters are already so overpowered, why only few spots for them in normal/epic raids?

[Trillea]

Pre-U9 and casters pack the heat.

Well technically we pack the ice.. heat doesn't work on Harry.

[Emili]

Well technically we pack the ice.. heat doesn't work on Harry.

quite true... and cool

Its weird... You cannot do caster and do same thing? I already did caster for this reason, so wheres the problem? Btw, with higher mobs saves it will be probably tougher, then it is now...

Guys, realy, nerfing is a wrong way.

Anybody here already tried to solo some epics in u8 and u9?


EDIT: if casters are already so overpowered, why only few spots for them in normal/epic raids?

Do not know about u9 that remains to be seen...

I know currently I can solo most wiz king on my gimpy witch... never tried go up to the boss alone though like some do. I know Smitherz once invited me to claw ... he had it finished pn his wizard alone minute I stepped in. I suppose it really comes down to how much mob save and how many hp down the mob are... chances are though without the immunities and with players being smarter than the average mob - least I hope so - am sure we'd see more casters figuring out how to get around any issues.

[shagath]

Well technically we pack the ice.. heat doesn't work on Harry.

Who cares about Harry? I don't.

[Astraghal]

This is a funny thread alright. It definately makes me wonder what level of content those who have contributed are familiar with. Casters can solo farm Epics for scrolls currently. They are making mobs easier to kill in U9, which will make the practice even more lucrative. The power of casters isn't in the raw DPS they can achieve by emptying their blue bars into a mob. It's the fact that they have many ways to incapacitate and neutralize most mobs which they can then kill at their leisure. Or by kiting through AoE spells while not being in any real danger themselves. In U9 they will be able to do what they can do in all pre-Epic content now, which is run around and insta-kill everything once they are geared and have good enough DC's. Mobs will have less HP too and with the changes being make nuking will become viable too. Melee can't effectively do any of that. They don't even have a melee exclusive HP equivalent to Major Mnemonic potions.

[crazydamage]

apparently this guys has never played a caster. lol. they aren't DPS. let me give a better perspective.

casters dps spells.

Firewall. NERFED.
Wail of deadsheep. NERFED
Finger of death. SEMI NERFED

take those 3 away and casters got nerfed.

oh and implosion, NERFED.

so this is a balence to improved DPS over all to balence the guess what. NERFING.

if your going to troll, or in english whine "oh Help me i need you to nerf classes i dont play to make me better" at least know what your talking about. oh and go ahead and point out every flaw in this post, if it makes you feel better, casters got nerfed.

I have a level 20 wizard. And I routinely dominate all of fens, chrono. Solo farm fens/chrono.
Solo farm DQ1 / Wiz king.

So maybe its YOU that doesnt have a caster and doesnt ever run epic quests

[crazydamage]

Its weird... You cannot do caster and do same thing? I already did caster for this reason, so wheres the problem? Btw, with higher mobs saves it will be probably tougher, then it is now...

Guys, realy, nerfing is a wrong way.

Anybody here already tried to solo some epics in u8 and u9?


EDIT: if casters are already so overpowered, why only few spots for them in normal/epic raids?

I have a caster My ddo him. He has fully maxed epic gear (except for epic greenblade/torc).

just becuase I have a caster doesnt mean I only want to play my caster all the time.