Quivering Quiver Nerf

[Geonis]

I still think the quiver itself is garbage. Before or after the change.

The stack size, combined with the fact that serious ranged characters either make their own arrows (AAs), or need much more quiver space (repeater mechanics) made the quiver at best an item melee characters might use.

Another swing and a miss from the Devs....

[Seikojin]

I think making the arrows unsellable is a good thing. Dropping from the quiver on dungeon exit is a bad thing.

[Valindria]

I laughed when I read that the arrows drop when you leave.

So now the point of this item is to fill the reward list with an item that no one will take making the max rewards -1.

As everyone has already said making the arrows not being able to be sold would have been enough.

[Scraap]

So all of the flaws of flame arrow as cast from a wand, except you must take damage, in addition to being one type only. That about sum it up?

[sephiroth1084]

The biggest problem with arrows is:


You simply cannot acquire enough special arrows (ie. Holy, Flaming, Bane) to make them relevant, as we tend to get them dropping in stacks of 20 or so from chests, yet can burn through upwards of 300 in a single boss fight!

The Quivering Quiver posed a solution to that problem, in a unique and interesting way. No need for the double-nerf. Please restore the functionality to the item.

Consider this: do you want archers checking their bags every few minutes to see what arrows they've acquired mid-quest because they cannot rely on having the special arrows they actually want being available to them?

[Alanim]

Also, this bow seems to only conjure the same 9 arrows(unless others are rarer?), instead of any-possible arrow, which once again... kind of makes it useless.


List of arrows it conjures
+3 adamantine arrows
+3 anarchic arrows
+3 cold iron arrows
+3 frost arrows
+3 silver arrows
+3 arrow of lawful outsider bane
+3 acid arrows
+3 shock arrows
+3 flame arrows

[Genasi]

Good points have been made here- the main concern was making the arrows non-vendorable, so having them drop on dungeon exit was probably an unnecessary step. For Update 9, the arrows will no longer drop on dungeon exit, but will still not be sellable to vendors.

*edit* Currently the quivering quiver is bugged, the arrows are NOT capable of being stored in a quiver, so the arrows will FLOOD your inventory till all slots are full.

We noticed that too, and it has also been fixed.

[sephiroth1084]

Good points have been made here- the main concern was making the arrows non-vendorable, so having them drop on dungeon exit was probably an unnecessary step. For Update 9, the arrows will no longer drop on dungeon exit, but will still not be sellable to vendors.

We noticed that too, and it has also been fixed.

Sounds perfect, Genasi! Thank you.

[Necrological]

Good points have been made here- the main concern was making the arrows non-vendorable, so having them drop on dungeon exit was probably an unnecessary step. For Update 9, the arrows will no longer drop on dungeon exit, but will still not be sellable to vendors.

We noticed that too, and it has also been fixed.

Good to hear.

[oradafu]

Good points have been made here- the main concern was making the arrows non-vendorable, so having them drop on dungeon exit was probably an unnecessary step. For Update 9, the arrows will no longer drop on dungeon exit, but will still not be sellable to vendors.

We noticed that too, and it has also been fixed.

"Hey, Bob, there's alot of people angery about some of these changes that we've done lately. Go break something in a silly way When people complain about it, we can fix it real fast so it appears like we are listening and maybe they will ignore the other stuff."

[katz]

Good points have been made here- the main concern was making the arrows non-vendorable, so having them drop on dungeon exit was probably an unnecessary step. For Update 9, the arrows will no longer drop on dungeon exit, but will still not be sellable to vendors.

We noticed that too, and it has also been fixed.

thank you!!! <3

[rygard]

more powerfull arrows (up to +4) might be better with this change. or btc arrows not able to sell.

[Qezuzu]

more powerfull arrows (up to +4) might be better with this change. or btc arrows not able to sell.

As said in the tips that the game gives you, if your bow is +5, the enhancement bonus on your arrows doesn't matter.

[patang01]

The bow is now actually good... if you need 10% ranged alarcity you can craft it now, using the new crafting system(and at a not very high level either!)

Ranged alacrity is level 72 - it takes about 10k plus material to get there (trust me, Ive done it just for that feature). Maybe I misread the bow but ranged alacrity ain't lowlevel

If you're meaning ML, yeah - it's like ML 3 on its own or something like that.

[patang01]

Good points have been made here- the main concern was making the arrows non-vendorable, so having them drop on dungeon exit was probably an unnecessary step. For Update 9, the arrows will no longer drop on dungeon exit, but will still not be sellable to vendors.

We noticed that too, and it has also been fixed.

Great to hear - now my FvS can use it with those droaam bracers again and it's even something my fighter can use. Ranger; nah - it was never his thing anyways. Thanks for listening to the community.

[CrimReaper]

Good points have been made here- the main concern was making the arrows non-vendorable, so having them drop on dungeon exit was probably an unnecessary step. For Update 9, the arrows will no longer drop on dungeon exit, but will still not be sellable to vendors.

We noticed that too, and it has also been fixed.

Awesome.

[Geonis]

Great to hear - now my FvS can use it with those droaam bracers again and it's even something my fighter can use. Ranger; nah - it was never his thing anyways. Thanks for listening to the community.

This is exactly my point, this "ranged item" is completely useless to any character who uses ranged combat as a primary fighting style. It is only useful to anyone who will simply equip it so they have some arrows if needed, just in case.

A complete swing and a miss for ranged combat.

[Alanim]

I kind of agree that it isn't that good... but it isn't THAT bad, the arrows allow some situational help, at the very least.

I'd like it better if it had a rare chance of proccing slaying arrows(not greater slaying). Perhaps Gnoll, Lawful Outsider/Evil Outsider, and oozes :P.

I mean everything there pretty much has a 100% chance of saving on the dc17 so you're likely to burn that entire stack of 20 on 1-2 targets anyhow!

[Geonis]

I kind of agree that it isn't that good... but it isn't THAT bad, the arrows allow some situational help, at the very least.

I'd like it better if it had a rare chance of proccing slaying arrows(not greater slaying). Perhaps Gnoll, Lawful Outsider/Evil Outsider, and oozes :P.

I mean everything there pretty much has a 100% chance of saving on the dc17 so you're likely to burn that entire stack of 20 on 1-2 targets anyhow!

My point is, that anyone specced for ranged combat would not use this at all.

So, they make an item for a combat style that is used by what 5% of the population on a regular basis? And make it so it is worthless to that crowd.

This item may be used by those who might whip out a bow now and then, maybe.

It was a waste of dev time in my eyes. If they are going to make "ranged" items, then make them useful to people who use ranged as a primary combat style.

Edit- Of course no dev will admit they failed with this item. It will be pushed forward as is, and will not be used by anyone who is a primarily ranged combatant.

[Tydeth]

Actually, because of the arrows it makes, some ranged characters may use the quiver to generate arrows during quests so they can place them in larger-capacity quivers to store for use in certain fights later.

+3 adamantine arrows <- Constructs, like Marut
+3 anarchic arrows <- Marut again, and Devils
+3 cold iron arrows <- Demons
+3 frost arrows <- Harder to justify, but may help versus fire stuff with named bows(no Risia)
+3 silver arrows < - Devils, Vampires, Werewolves(once we actually get some of those)
+3 arrow of lawful outsider bane <- Devils again. This quiver really hates Harry, lol.
+3 acid arrows <- Err...Trolls?
+3 shock arrows <- No idea. Lit2 GS Bow will own anything weak to Lightning damage better than these... is there anything vulnerable to electrical attacks?
+3 flame arrows <- Trolls and ice stuff? Don't know what +value Flame Arrow spell makes.

Would we use the arrows it makes for all-the-time combat? Probably not, but the option is there for situational use. The elemental damage arrows probably won't see much use in mid/high level play, but depending on the ML may be good for stuffing in Shared Bank to twink a lowbie archer with(or save for use with TR).