Why the extra SP cost for Evocation Archmage?

[Diib]

I agree this seems to be a bad change. Why not nerf ranged damage as well seeing as you buffed the distance ranged sneak attack works from? Weakening sub-standard play styles only hurts people trying unique builds... this adds nothing to the game and only makes it more cookie cutter.

Please reconsider the AM changes.

[fyrst.grok]

Just go melee DPS, and Khopesh you'll be safe.

Which not coincidentally seems to be what the designers want everyone to play...

I'm almost as sick of khopeshes as I am of Palemasters..
My Wiz was PM before his TR.. Didn't like it and wanted a reason to continue as warforged, since I like the non-standard D&D race.. It add's to the Eberron experience at least for me

Might still be viable to be sorc wf.. Selfheal+DPS (even though Helfs can scrollheal and have higher dc.. And DPS will be nerfed in update 10 )

But back to the thread, sorry for the sidestep.

[Tirisha]

If casters run around using echoes of power after quickly burning through all their mana, any time after level 6, they are doing it wrong.

I expect echoes of power to be in effect >5% of the time. The slightly more DPS a wiz would do in this tiny rarity of situations should be considered negligible in the overall picture.

To actually nerf an already subpar option (general consensus is Sorc and PM> Evo archmage BEFORE the nerf and Savant) is truly strange. I was willing to play this suboptimal build for coolness and flavor, but was borderline. Nerf pushed me on to not bother, and build a savant instead.

Most would gladly abandon echoes of power rather than take this nerf.

right I'm not saying all the time but there will be occasions that you are out of sp and with echoes of power, a Wizard is gonna be extremely powerful at CC still *dropping webs and resistible dances and hypnos* and while considering that wizards run out of SP quicker I think it's only balancing that a Sorc when out of SP should generate a more significant amount of dps.

Looking at boss dps with the addition of echoes of power and the added efficiency of many new or reworked spells. It will be good too dump your sp. In this scenerio you will benefit greatly from echoes of power and I believe it is important that the sorc *using anyone of the savant pres) can maintain a higher lv of dps. (though fire savants are out of luck here in many raids, I think you'll see evocation archmages out dpsing them in elite shrouds and the like).

[Tirisha]

I agree this seems to be a bad change. Why not nerf ranged damage as well seeing as you buffed the distance ranged sneak attack works from? Weakening sub-standard play styles only hurts people trying unique builds... this adds nothing to the game and only makes it more cookie cutter.

Please reconsider the AM changes.

It will still be extremely viable to pick up one or two of the evocation SLAs considering the change to many spells that make it easier to burn SP on boss DPS.

I believe Echoes of Power will improve dps for and Evocation archmage in prolonged boss battles even with the given change to the SLAs. (because you will burn out of sp alot quicker keeping up surge, and frost dots while using polar ray, and melf's acid arrow as an example)