Amount from suffix/prefix decons?

[vVAnjilaVv]

You know how you get say a Level 2 amount of Air Wisps for Shocking and a Level 4 amount of Body Strands for Bone-Breaking etc, etc......does the level on these or amount even if the level stays the same increase as your crafting XP increases or is DECON not related to crafting XP and it's just a set amount for each effect? Also you have a chance to get greater essences each time you strip a prefix/suffix......is this always a random amount?

TY for any replies, trying to fill in my thread on DECONS a little better.

[pjw]

....does the level on these or amount even if the level stays the same increase as your crafting XP

AFAICT it is a random amount up to 2^ItemPropertyLevel - 1; your crafting level has no effect.

[vVAnjilaVv]

AFAICT it is a random amount up to 2^ItemPropertyLevel - 1; your crafting level has no effect.

Okays...TY.....I am just going to list the LeveL amount then.....i.e. Level 1 amount, Level 2 amount....etc...... and list what subtype the prefix/suffix falls under.

I wanna do this not only for myself but for other people to realize that stuff such as the coveted +4 Holy Burst Silver of GLOB will not require that you can only get the shard crafting ingredients from Holy, Holy Burst, and Pure Good weapons as there are I am sure many other prefix/suffix that fall under the GOOD subtype....this goes for all the shard ingredients...there are multiple effects that fall under all the types.

TY for the reply

[DrakmireTS]

I posted this as a barely-filtered wall of text in a different thread, but there are some relevant numbers from when I deconstructed all of my handwraps (along with 2 kamas and my boots):

Strength Sapping (4)
Body Sparks
18 sparks, 3 crystals

G. Chaotic Outsider Bane (5)
Law Marbles
34 marbles, 3 orbs

G. Evil Outsider Bane (5)
Good Beams
33 beams, 5 beacons

Vorpal (8)
Evil Grime
29 grime, 3 sludge | 34 grime

Armored +8 (8)
Divine Shares (is this meant to be 'shards'?)
39 shares

Maladroit (3)
Body Strands
8 strands

Stunning +10 (5)
Water Droplets
34 droplets, 2 whirls | 25 droplets, 1 whirl

Stunning +8 (4)
Water Droplets
18 droplets, 4 whirls

Metalline (4)
Chaos Sparks
18 sparks, 3 flashes

Striding 30% (6)
Air Wisps
31 Air Wisps

G. Construct Bane (5)
Chaos Sparks
31 sparks

G. Aberration Bane (5)
Law Marbles
31 marbles, 1 orb

Improved Destruction (6)
Body Strands
37 strands

G. Undead Bane (5)
Good Beams
36 beams

Eagle +10 (5)
Mind Threads
30 threads, 5 shards

G. Dragon Bane (5)
Divine Shares
29 shares

G. Giant Bane (5)
Arcane Charges
35 charges

G. Elemental Bane (5)
Divine Shares
30 shares

Poison Neutralization [5 charges] (4)
Good Beams
13 beams

G. Cold Resistance (5)
Water Droplets
26 droplets, 4 whirls

[vVAnjilaVv]

I posted this as a barely-filtered wall of text in a different thread, but there are some relevant numbers from when I deconstructed all of my handwraps (along with 2 kamas and my boots):

Strength Sapping (4)
Body Sparks
18 sparks, 3 crystals

G. Chaotic Outsider Bane (5)
Law Marbles
34 marbles, 3 orbs

G. Evil Outsider Bane (5)
Good Beams
33 beams, 5 beacons

Vorpal (8)
Evil Grime
29 grime, 3 sludge | 34 grime

Armored +8 (8)
Divine Shares (is this meant to be 'shards'?)
39 shares

Maladroit (3)
Body Strands
8 strands

Stunning +10 (5)
Water Droplets
34 droplets, 2 whirls | 25 droplets, 1 whirl

Stunning +8 (4)
Water Droplets
18 droplets, 4 whirls

Metalline (4)
Chaos Sparks
18 sparks, 3 flashes

Striding 30% (6)
Air Wisps
31 Air Wisps

G. Construct Bane (5)
Chaos Sparks
31 sparks

G. Aberration Bane (5)
Law Marbles
31 marbles, 1 orb

Improved Destruction (6)
Body Strands
37 strands

G. Undead Bane (5)
Good Beams
36 beams

Eagle +10 (5)
Mind Threads
30 threads, 5 shards

G. Dragon Bane (5)
Divine Shares
29 shares

G. Giant Bane (5)
Arcane Charges
35 charges

G. Elemental Bane (5)
Divine Shares
30 shares

Poison Neutralization [5 charges] (4)
Good Beams
13 beams

G. Cold Resistance (5)
Water Droplets
26 droplets, 4 whirls

TYVM....I'll punch this into my thread +1

[Lyetisha]

AFAICT it is a random amount up to 2^ItemPropertyLevel - 1; your crafting level has no effect.

There's bound to be an additional calculation in there. On some of my Level 3 crunches, I've gotten 14 materials total. Your formula says I should have gotten only (2*2*2) - 1 = 7

On my level 4 crunches, 21 materials. Your calculation says I should have gotten (2*2*2*2) - 1 = 15

Level 3 crunches is my biggest data set so far, because I failed to start tracking when I first started crafting =P

[Marten]

I thought about logging all my decons but then I started working on the Crafting Video Demo so my thoughts shifted and now I don't think I can more than 1 more chare on Lam with items to decon. If you can give me a list of things you are missing I can buy them before moving my final char and log them.

Pre/Suf * level * Essence Type
Major Ice Lore * 5 * Water
Major Fire Lore * 5 * Fire
Superior Combustion VII * 8 * Fire
Greater Devotion IV * 5 * Good
Disruption * 6 * Good
Major Void Lore * 5 * Evil

Edit PS:
A small sample from what I have left, I may video some When I get my last char moved.

(Standard): Item Deconstruction success with Evil Grime (Level 8 Amount)! Consumed: +1 Vorpal Kama, Parfett's Leading Dissolver. Created: 28 Evil Grimes, 2 Evil Sludges.
(Standard): Item Deconstruction success with Evil Grime (Level 8 Amount)! Consumed: +1 Vorpal Kama, Parfett's Leading Dissolver. Created: 34 Evil Grimes, 5 Evil Sludges.
(Standard): Item Deconstruction success with Evil Grime (Level 8 Amount)! Consumed: +5 Vorpal Bastard Sword of Enfeebling, Parfett's Leading Dissolver. Created: 33 Evil Grimes.

(Standard): Item Deconstruction success with Evil Grime (Level 3 Amount)! Consumed: +5 Cursespewing Longsword Of Tendon Slice 4%, Parfett's Leading Dissolver. Created: 9 Evil Grimes.
(Standard): Item Deconstruction success with Evil Grime (Level 3 Amount)! Consumed: +3 Cursespewing Battleaxe of Backstabbing, Parfett's Leading Dissolver. Created: 9 Evil Grimes, 3 Evil Sludges.
(Standard): Item Deconstruction success with Evil Grime (Level 3 Amount)! Consumed: +5 Cursespewing Longsword of Enfeebling, Parfett's Leading Dissolver. Created: 6 Evil Grimes, Evil Sludge.
(Standard): Item Deconstruction success with Evil Grime (Level 3 Amount)! Consumed: +5 Cursespewing Shortbow of Slowburst, Parfett's Leading Dissolver. Created: 8 Evil Grimes.
(Standard): Item Deconstruction success with Evil Grime (Level 3 Amount)! Consumed: +3 Cursespewing Dwarven Axe Of Tendon Slice 10%, Parfett's Leading Dissolver. Created: 7 Evil Grimes.


(Standard): Item Deconstruction success with Evil Grime (Level 6 Amount)! Consumed: +5 Improved Cursespewing Shortbow of Backstabbing, Parfett's Leading Dissolver. Created: 28 Evil Grimes.
(Standard): Item Deconstruction success with Evil Grime (Level 6 Amount)! Consumed: +4 Improved Cursespewing Dwarven Axe of Enfeebling, Parfett's Leading Dissolver. Created: 31 Evil Grimes.
(Standard): Item Deconstruction success with Evil Grime (Level 6 Amount)! Consumed: +4 Improved Cursespewing Longbow of Power I, Parfett's Leading Dissolver. Created: 32 Evil Grimes.

(Standard): Item Deconstruction success with Earth Sand (Level 3 Amount)! Consumed: +5 Seeker Greatclub Of Shatter +6, Lorinda's Ultimate Remover. Created: 11 Earth Sand.

(Standard): Item Deconstruction success with Earth Sand (Level 5 Amount)! Consumed: +5 Thundering Handaxe Of Shatter +10, Lorinda's Ultimate Remover. Created: 35 Earth Sand.

(Standard): Item Deconstruction success with Earth Sand (Level 3 Amount)! Consumed: +3 Wounding Dwarven Axe Of Shatter +6, Lorinda's Ultimate Remover. Created: 6 Earth Sand, Earth Rock.

Sadly, its seems that levels 6,7, and 8 give you no more than level 5 atm.

[pjw]

There's bound to be an additional calculation in there.

You are quite right; I have seen some really high values also. Level 5 stuff seems to produce around 32; level 4 around 16-ish...but I agree, my original estimate was wrong.

I guess when enough people collect and send data, we'll get a better picture.

[Backley]

Please add to the list on the DDO Wiki at Full_Crafting_System#Crafting_Components_from_Deco nstruction

[Lyetisha]

You are quite right; I have seen some really high values also. Level 5 stuff seems to produce around 32; level 4 around 16-ish...but I agree, my original estimate was wrong.

I guess when enough people collect and send data, we'll get a better picture.

Absolutely. I'll continue logging and anytime you wish to review my raw data I'll be more than happy to provide it =D

[vVAnjilaVv]

I thought about logging all my decons but then I started working on the Crafting Video Demo so my thoughts shifted and now I don't think I can more than 1 more chare on Lam with items to decon. If you can give me a list of things you are missing I can buy them before moving my final char and log them.

Pre/Suf * level * Essence Type
Major Ice Lore * 5 * Water
Major Fire Lore * 5 * Fire
Superior Combustion VII * 8 * Fire
Greater Devotion IV * 5 * Good
Disruption * 6 * Good
Major Void Lore * 5 * Evil

Edit PS:
A small sample from what I have left, I may video some When I get my last char moved.



Sadly, its seems that levels 6,7, and 8 give you no more than level 5 atm.

Ehhh...it's gonna be a while before they release the final version of this anyways.......any little bit helps my list out greatly....thanks for this info.

[Marten]

(Standard): Item Deconstruction success with Body Strands (Level 6 Amount)! Consumed: Belt of Balance +13, Lorinda's Ultimate Remover. Created: 32 Lesser Body Essences.

(Standard): Item Deconstruction success with Good Beams (Level 4 Amount)! Consumed: +3 Superior Devotion III Light Steel Shield of Spell Resistance (13), Parfett's Leading Dissolver. Created: 12 Lesser Good Essences, Greater Good Essence.

(Standard): Item Deconstruction success with Arcane Charges (Level 9 Amount)! Consumed: +3 Greater Potency VII Kama, Parfett's Leading Dissolver. Created: 30 Lesser Arcane Essences.

[Kinerd]

Looking over the results so far, the first thing that stands out to me is that of 8 level 3 decons, 3 had greater essences, while of 6 level 6 decons, 0 had greater essences. The overall rate of generating greater essences outside of level 6 is 17 of 33, and the odds of 6 events having 0 greater essences with that chance are therefore (16/33) ^ 6 = 1.3%. Not conclusive, but looking pretty weird.

The ranges for lesser essences each level are:
level - min, max - range
3 - 6, 11 - 6
4 - 12, 18 - 7
5 - 25, 36 - 12
6 - 28, 37 - 10
7 - none
8 - 28, 34 - 7
9 - 30, 39 - 10

Now, it is not feasible at this point to try to determine the sizes of dice being rolled, so let us start with the simplest assumption for level 5 (d12) and see where it takes us. What about:

d12 + level + 19

...for levels 5 and up? That fits all the data we have. Alternatively, we could do:

d20 + 20

...for levels 5 and up, or put another way that for levels 5 and up the output is independent of level.

.

Anyway, thanks for giving the data!

[Marten]

(Standard): Item Deconstruction success with Mind Threads (Level 4 Amount)! Consumed: Charismatic Crown of Eloquence +7, Lorinda's Ultimate Remover. Created: 16 Lesser Mind Essences.

(Standard): Item Deconstruction success with Fire Embers (Level 4 Amount)! Consumed: +4 Fire Guard Breastplate of Power II, Parfett's Leading Dissolver. Created: 15 Lesser Fire Essences, 4 Greater Fire Essences.

(Standard): Item Deconstruction success with Body Strands (Level 4 Amount)! Consumed: +3 Bodyfeeder Greatclub of Everbright, Parfett's Leading Dissolver. Created: 17 Lesser Body Essences.

(Level 5 Amount)! Consumed: +4 Ghost Touch Returning Throwing Dagger of Greater Monstrous Humanoid Bane, Lorinda's Ultimate Remover. Created: 29 Lesser Divine Essences.

(Standard): Item Deconstruction success with Evil Grime (Level 6 Amount)! Consumed: +3 Improved Cursespewing Light Pick of Parrying, Parfett's Leading Dissolver. Created: 37 Lesser Evil Essences, 4 Greater Evil Essences.

(Standard): Item Deconstruction success with Body Strands (Level 4 Amount)! Consumed: +3 Flaming Light Mace of Destruction, Lorinda's Ultimate Remover. Created: 20 Lesser Body Essences.

[Lyetisha]

Grabbed a couple items off the AH to test my ML theory:

Effect: Lesser Ice Guard (Level 2)
ML: 4 item
Yield: 6 Lesser materials

ML: 16 item
Yield: 4 Lesser, 2 Greater materials

The total of the yield seems to be the same in this sample. =)

[vVAnjilaVv]

Grabbed a couple items off the AH to test my ML theory:

Effect: Lesser Ice Guard (Level 2)
ML: 4 item
Yield: 6 Lesser materials

ML: 16 item
Yield: 4 Lesser, 2 Greater materials

The total of the yield seems to be the same in this sample. =)

Ok now go do that 100 more times

[pjw]

Absolutely. I'll continue logging and anytime you wish to review my raw data I'll be more than happy to provide it =D

If/when you have a decent amount, please do. Though I expect to be depressed by the results -- it just seems decon is designed to be a very poor second to spending TP.

[kittikatgurl]

If anyone has any raw data please PM me with it or post

[Marten]

(Standard): Item Deconstruction success with Arcane Charges (Level 6 Amount)! Consumed: +1 Axiomatic Burst Densewood Repeating Light Crossbow of the Magi, Lorinda's Ultimate Remover. Created: 37 Lesser Arcane Essences.

(Standard): Item Deconstruction success with Body Strands (Level 6 Amount)! Consumed: +1 Axiomatic Burst Handwraps of Improved Destruction, Lorinda's Ultimate Remover. Created: 29 Lesser Body Essences.

(Standard): Item Deconstruction success with Law Marbles (Level 4 Amount)! Consumed: +1 Axiomatic Burst Longbow of Power I, Parfett's Leading Dissolver. Created: 11 Lesser Law Essences.

(Standard): Item Deconstruction success with Law Marbles (Level 2 Amount)! Consumed: +1 Axiomatic Falchion Of Tendon Slice 6%, Parfett's Leading Dissolver. Created: 4 Lesser Law Essences, Greater Law Essence.

(Standard): Item Deconstruction success with Good Beams (Level 5 Amount)! Consumed: +1 Axiomatic Greatsword of Greater Undead Bane, Lorinda's Ultimate Remover. Created: 33 Lesser Good Essences.

(Standard): Item Deconstruction success with Chaos Sparks (Level 6 Amount)! Consumed: +1 Cursespewing Greataxe of Smiting, Lorinda's Ultimate Remover. Created: 34 Lesser Chaos Essences.

[kittikatgurl]

Inputted. I'll post my results later today. Some interesting trends coming through