Crazy build #4356 Helf 13 Rogue, 6 monk, 1 Wiz

[Hurak]

First off, apologies to any builder who has already posted this. The new forum format put me off any detailed search.

Preface.
Posting the build straight from the planner as this is still in a custom design phase and subject to tweeking. There are plenty of threads with gear, hp and ac breakdowns which I won't go into here.

The purpose of this build.
When I looked at TR’ing my Ranger, I wanted the past life to be useful. This isn’t actually easy since, unless your TR’ing into another ranger, there aren’t too many builds that are appealing for archery. The problem I faced was a fighting style that consumed too many feats to be useful, a fighting style already on the nose as a poor performer.

To make this even more of a challenge, I wanted to utilize the vast number of quarterstaves I had in storage including dreamsplitter and two Rahl's Mights.

Finally, I had to look at all the options to make this as less a gimp as possible.

This build can give the player...
Acrobat 2
Arcane Archer
Access to Monk Pre 1 if desired

In summary, a staff wielding rogue specialist that can drop into arrow slaying multishot mode for 20 sec as needed. With the sneak attack range being increased, I imagine this will hurt.

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Level 20 Lawful Neutral Half-Elf Male
(6 Monk \ 13 Rogue \ 1 Wizard) 
Hit Points: 232
Spell Points: 180 
BAB: 13\13\18\23
Fortitude: 11
Reflex: 18
Will: 12

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    21
Dexterity            16                    20
Constitution         14                    15
Intelligence         11                    12
Wisdom               13                    13
Charisma              8                     8

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               3                    21
Bluff                 3                    22
Concentration         2                    16
Diplomacy             3                    22
Disable Device        4                    24
Hide                  3                     5
Jump                  3                    19
Move Silently         7                     9
Open Lock             7                    12
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Search                4                    24
Spot                  5                    11
Use Magic Device      3                    22

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Ranger
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons


Level 4 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Light


Level 5 (Monk)


Level 6 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Rapid Shot


Level 7 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Handed Focus


Level 8 (Rogue)


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Focus


Level 10 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Mental Toughness


Level 11 (Rogue)


Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Manyshot


Level 13 (Rogue)


Level 14 (Rogue)


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Blunt


Level 16 (Rogue)


Level 17 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 19 (Rogue)


Level 20 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Burst Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Way of the Faithful Hound I
Enhancement: Way of the Faithful Hound II
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat I
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
Enhancement: Improved Balance I
Enhancement: Improved Balance II
Enhancement: Improved Jump I
Enhancement: Improved Jump II
Enhancement: Improved Tumble I
Enhancement: Improved Tumble II
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III

Some Additional Comments

Skills: Honestly, I just threw this in without much thought but it does show how many skills you can easily cap.

Final 2 Feats: Went with the Two Handed Line but you can work with Dex to gain P.Shot and ImpP.shot if preferred.

Enhancements: Not a lot of room for variation but enough to style for taste.

Half Elf diliettante: Ranger (For Bow Strength)

EDIT: Modified based on feedback from the thread and changes made and actual play at lvl 18

[unbongwah]

A few comments:

• Do you have any +2 tomes you could use? That would let you start with, say, DEX 15 and bump up INT or CON.
• I don't see Zen Archery; that means you won't be centered while using a bow. While you can't generate ki with ranged weapons, staying centered also means you won't lose it while pew-pew-pewing and can use Wind stance for the attack speed boost or Sun stance for a little extra DPS.
• Why Extend Spell? You only have lvl 1 wiz spells which will now last 2 mins instead of 1. Even though you don't need it for the AA pre-req w/arcane splash, I still say Mental Toughness makes sense.
• I know you said you took cleric dilly for healing, but what about ranger instead? You could drop Bow STR letting you squeeze in, say, ZA, GTHF, or Stunning Blow. Either way, though, you should definitely take the dilly enhs IMHO.
• Concentration should be maxed on any monk build planning to use monk weapons, IMHO.

[Hurak]

A few comments:

• Do you have any +2 tomes you could use? That would let you start with, say, DEX 15 and bump up INT or CON.
  
  I do have +2 tomes but it didn't look like i would need them on the first pass through to get the feats needed. I can certainly revisit the distribution with +2's in mind.
  
• I don't see Zen Archery; that means you won't be centered while using a bow. While you can't generate ki with ranged weapons, staying centered also means you won't lose it while pew-pew-pewing and can use Wind stance for the attack speed boost or Sun stance for a little extra DPS.
  
  With the two remaining feats I could take up zen archery but with the wis score so low compared to the eventual dex stat, I figured it was a wasted slot. Honest question here, would zen archary override my dex stat to hit if it was the lesser stat?
  
  
• Why Extend Spell? You only have lvl 1 wiz spells which will now last 2 mins instead of 1. Even though you don't need it for the AA pre-req w/arcane splash, I still say Mental Toughness makes sense.
  
  Mental Toughness is 15sp at first lvl? Either way its a minor inprovement. A benefit of taking extend would be if I took the Ranger Past Life for Barkskin as one of the last feats, which could be an option.
  
• I know you said you took cleric dilly for healing, but what about ranger instead? You could drop Bow STR letting you squeeze in, say, ZA, GTHF, or Stunning Blow. Either way, though, you should definitely take the dilly enhs IMHO.
  
  definitely thought about this and it was a big part of the build. The ranger dilly caps at 26 str whereas I'd take this build into the mid 30 str range. If I was capping my str at 26 then ranger dilly makes sense.
  
• Concentration should be maxed on any monk build planning to use monk weapons, IMHO.
  
  As a player who has a lvl 20 monk build, I agree and I'll put more thought into the skill distribution next time round

Thank you for the feedback and additional builds. I'll have a good look through them and see what I like.

Therigar,

Played a rogue to 20 and found 12 int was my sweet spot for trap/search success though gear can vary from each player. Will definitely think of the stat distribution again with +2's in mind, thanks.

[Therigar]

Unbongwah is correct, take Mental Toughness as your wizard feat. You definitely want Zen Archery so that you retain Ki while shooting.

Paladin dilettante or Ranger dilettante makes better sense for the build. Both give wand use for self heals until UMD kicks in and either benefits the build more.

Ranger is the better choice as it will give you a bow strength effect to help with the shooting damage.

Dump INT it is a complete waste of build points. You do not need it at all to be effective with traps, etc. Note that I use to favor high INT on rogues but this is no longer the case as gear/buffs will get you thru w/o problems.

You should plan on +2 tomes and try to get them on all key stats -- WIS, STR, DEX, CON and INT.

[unbongwah]

To put my build-fu where my stupid mouth is , here's what I came up with:

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Level 20 Lawful Neutral Half-Elf Female
(6 Monk \ 13 Rogue \ 1 Wizard) 
Hit Points: 252
Spell Points: 255 
BAB: 13\13\18\23
Fortitude: 12
Reflex: 18
Will: 13

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             18                    26
Dexterity            15                    20
Constitution         14                    16
Intelligence          8                    10
Wisdom               12                    14
Charisma              8                    10

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               4                    13
Bluff                -1                     0
Concentration         2                    26
Diplomacy             3                    23
Disable Device        3                    23
Haggle               -1                     0
Heal                  1                     2
Hide                  2                     5
Intimidate           -1                     0
Jump                  5                    13
Listen                1                     2
Move Silently         2                     5
Open Lock             6                    17
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair               -1                     0
Search                3                    23
Spot                  1                     2
Swim                  8                    12
Tumble                3                    12
Use Magic Device      3                    23

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Diplomacy (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Swim (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Ranger
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 2 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 3 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Selected) Rapid Shot


Level 4 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+3)
Skill: Search (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 5 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light


Level 6 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons


Level 7 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+3)
Skill: Search (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 8 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Mental Toughness


Level 9 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Manyshot


Level 10 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)


Level 11 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+3)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Zen Archery


Level 12 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+3)
Skill: Search (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting


Level 13 (Rogue)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)


Level 14 (Rogue)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 15 (Rogue)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+3)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 16 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+3)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 17 (Rogue)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist


Level 18 (Rogue)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 19 (Rogue)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion
Enhancement: Rogue Extra Action Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Burst Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Enhancement: Improved Ranger Dilettante I
Enhancement: Improved Ranger Dilettante II
Enhancement: Improved Ranger Dilettante III
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Adept of Wind
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat I
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
Enhancement: Improved Balance I
Enhancement: Improved Balance II
Enhancement: Improved Tumble I
Enhancement: Improved Tumble II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III

Max STR, light path instead of dark, no monk PrE (enh pts & feats are really tight on this one), 30% healing amp, skills are limited to max Diplomacy, Search, Disable, and UMD with a few extra pts thrown into Open Lock. I think my build will have higher melee DPS but lower ranged DPS than yours, but I won't swear to that. Rather than the THF feats, I might consider Imp Crit Ranged and/or Blunt, Dodge if you still want to go Ninja, Stunning Blow, Bow STR (swap rgr dilly for something else). Built it with a +2 Supreme tome, but all that's required is +2 DEX for Manyshot, +1 WIS for Zen Archery, and +2 INT if you want the extra skill pts.

Here it is a little closer to your original build:

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Level 20 Lawful Neutral Half-Elf Female
(6 Monk \ 13 Rogue \ 1 Wizard) 
Hit Points: 252
Spell Points: 255 
BAB: 13\13\18\23
Fortitude: 12
Reflex: 18
Will: 13

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             18                    26
Dexterity            15                    20
Constitution         14                    16
Intelligence          8                    10
Wisdom               12                    14
Charisma              8                    10

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               4                    15
Bluff                -1                     0
Concentration         2                    26
Diplomacy             3                    23
Disable Device        3                    23
Haggle               -1                     0
Heal                  1                     2
Hide                  2                     7
Intimidate           -1                     0
Jump                  5                    15
Listen                1                     2
Move Silently         2                     5
Open Lock             6                    17
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair               -1                     0
Search                3                    23
Spot                  1                     2
Swim                  8                    12
Tumble                3                    12
Use Magic Device      3                    23

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Diplomacy (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Swim (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Ranger
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 2 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 3 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Selected) Rapid Shot


Level 4 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+3)
Skill: Search (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 5 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness


Level 6 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons


Level 7 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+3)
Skill: Search (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 8 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Mental Toughness


Level 9 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Manyshot


Level 10 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)


Level 11 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+3)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge


Level 12 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+3)
Skill: Search (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Zen Archery


Level 13 (Rogue)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)


Level 14 (Rogue)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 15 (Rogue)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+3)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons


Level 16 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+3)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 17 (Rogue)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist


Level 18 (Rogue)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 19 (Rogue)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion
Enhancement: Rogue Extra Action Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Burst Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Enhancement: Improved Ranger Dilettante I
Enhancement: Improved Ranger Dilettante II
Enhancement: Improved Ranger Dilettante III
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Static Charge
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I
Enhancement: Adept of Wind
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat I
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Improved Balance I
Enhancement: Improved Balance II
Enhancement: Improved Jump I
Enhancement: Improved Jump II
Enhancement: Improved Tumble I
Enhancement: Improved Tumble II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III

[Hurak]

Apologies for the self-necro but I have had some interest and requests in this build and I mentioned I would bump it for them to find.

I have hit lvl 18 on this build and thought I'd provide some additional comments on my experience with this toon.

First, the Arcane Archer. Know that you will only get 3 multishot arrows, not 4. Minor disappointment but since this build was never meant to be an Archer specific build, 3 arrows is better than one. 3 Shot multishot with sneak attack is a lot of fun.

Using staves: Using Rahl's Might on this build does a lot of damage and based on my crude calcs, has a higher average damage rate than dual wielding Khop's. The problem is however, Rahl's (in any of its 5 forms) doesn't break DR at the higher levels so you need to revert to standard quarterstaves which are about 7% below the average damage of non-green steal khops.

Summary. This is fun to play. Multishot with sneak attack then switch to Rahl's to clean up is a lot of fun. 13 levels of rogue provides more than enough skill points to tailor a rogue to your desire. I give it a 9/10 if you like to Role Play or into boutique builds but a 4/10 if your into min/maxing end game performance.

[unbongwah]

Know that you will only get 3 multishot arrows, not 4. Minor disappointment but since this build was never meant to be an Archer specific build, 3 arrows is better than one. 3 Shot multishot with sneak attack is a lot of fun.

Grab some Divine Power clickies (or scrolls if your UMD is high enough) and use them before hitting Manyshot; your BAB is now high enough to get 4 arrows per shot.

Considered Zen archery but which feat to remove. Also, my understanding is that the monk stances (stat changes not included) do not effect your archery, so for example, if in Wind, no double strike with the bow.

Some of the bonuses from monk stances apply to ranged attacks: e.g., the DEX and attack speed from Wind stance, but not the double-strike chance (DS is melee-only). It also prevents ki decay when you're using a bow. It's a nice feat to have on a monk archer, IMHO, but as you say feats are pretty tight - what could you drop to add it? I suppose you could do a variant which dropped the THF chain for ZA, Dodge (Ninja pre-req), and something else, but I don't see how that works out better from a DPS perspective.

[thegreatneil]

You can use your Wisdom bonus instead of Dexterity bonus to determine bonus to attack with ranged missile weapons if it is higher.

*Does not apply to thrown weapons.
*Shortbows and Longbows are considered Ki weapons.

Also if you can fit it in, ninja I adds another SA dice and shadow fade is Very useful.

*Edit: im sure you know this by now.

[Hurak]

Considered Zen archery but which feat to remove. Also, my understanding is that the monk stances (stat changes not included) do not effect your archery, so for example, if in Wind, no double strike with the bow.

Would love to slip in dodge and get Ninja Spy 1, the first post did originally have ninja spy included. You'd have to lose GTHF which is kinda counter productive on a stick build I thought in the end.

Thxs for the feedback.

[Hurak]

The build does have some flexibility to it. Focus on Qstaff, take the THF line or focus on Archery drop THF and pick up Precise SHot and IPS. I have had a blast playing this guy, no doubt, but if I had to take a toon on a raid, it wouldn't be this one.