DPS build help needed.

[nckaratekid89]

I have been thinking of making a good dps toon. I figure that twf is the way to go, but since I don't really like the look of khopeshes I figure I'll either go dwarven for daxes or possibly another weapon if any are advisable. I'm certainly open to going twf if that is just as good. I've had my interests perked by posts on monk builds with ranger, fighter, rogue, or paladin mixed in. Any ideas on a decent build? I'd just use my lvl 5 dwarf fighter to make a build, but he has a 8 wis and 13 dex so not really sure I can go for twf, monk, or paladin. If I'm wrong on that account let me know as well. Thanks.

[unbongwah]

Need a little more info: what build options do you have available? [i.e., 28 or 32 pt builds, any P2P classes, etc.] Any twink gear or tomes? Anything you want to be able to do besides DPS (i.e., tanking, spells, trap skills, etc.)? Etc.

[nckaratekid89]

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.8.2
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Haldrik Ogrimir
Level 5 Lawful Good Dwarf Male
(5 Fighter) 
Hit Points: 122
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 5\5\10
Fortitude: 7
Reflex: 2
Will: 0

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 5)
Strength             18                    19
Dexterity            13                    13
Constitution         16                    17
Intelligence         13                    13
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma              6                     6

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 5)
Balance               3                     8.5
Bluff                -2                    -2
Concentration         3                     3
Diplomacy            -2                    -2
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -2                    -2
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  1                     1
Intimidate            2                     6
Jump                  8                     9
Listen               -1                    -1
Move Silently         1                     1
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                     1
Search                1                     3
Spot                 -1                    -1
Swim                  4                     4
Tumble                n/a                   3
Use Magic Device     n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Dwarven Armor Mastery I


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage I
Enhancement: Dwarven Poison Resistance I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I


Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense I


Level 4 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Dodge
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II


Level 5 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II

That's my toon so far. I'd like to do tank besides dps. I decided to just go pure fighter. But given that I have 13 dex am I capable of going twf? Also was giving him 13 int a mistake, or is it workable?

[Mark_G]

A couple of thoughts from a long time player (but certainly NOT a power gamer)--
1. Two weapon fighting (twf), on the whole, is better dps than two-handed fighting (thf).
2. The two weapon fighting feat requires a 15 dex. This dex score must be achieved "naturally" (i.e. build points at creation or attribute increases every 4 levels or by using tomes).
3. Improved and Greater two weapon fighting feats require a dex of 17. Again, that dex score must be achieved "naturally".
4. A fighter with an Int score of 13, in general, does so to qualify for the Combat Expertise feat (up to -5 to hit but up to +5 on AC). Otherwise, there are probably better attributes to put those precious build points.

Finally, many players more expert than I will suggest "tanking" in DDO is a bit of misnomer. Tanking means you can do enough damage to the opponent to hold aggro and, thus, keeping the other party members safe. In general, Tanking does not mean having a real high AC and letting the mobs beat on you (although there are some builds which do dps AND have high armor class!
If you are looking for samples of dps builds, do an advanced search on the forums for "dps build" or something like that. There are many posts designed for folks who are just starting out. Good luck!

[Jubbers]

13 int is required for combat expertise... so is necessary if you want to tank.

The 13 dex is a lot more of an issue unless you'd like to add 12 ranger to your build.

Here is a build idea that has been around a while and may work ok for you...
12 Ranger / 6 Fighter / 2 Monk

The ranger levels will give you the TWF, ITWF and GTWF feats without having to have the 15 and 17 dex required to normally take the feats.
Monk 2 will give you toughness and combat expertise feats.. here is what I would pick

Dwarven Axe, TWF with S&B capibilities for update 9
Feats:
1st - THF
3rd - Toughness
6th - Shield Mastery (update 9 makes this better for tanking)
9th - ITHF
12th - GTHF
15th - Imp Shield Mastery
18th - Imp Shield Bash
Fighter1 - WF: Slashing
Fighter2 - Power attack
Fighter4 - Dodge (tempest prereq)
Fighter6 - Spring attack (tempest prereq)
Monk1 - Combat Expertise
Monk2 - Mobility (tempest prereq)

Make sure to take the remaining classes in this manner:
1-5 fighter
6-7 Monk
8 Fighter
9-12 Ranger

With the changes they are making to shields in the comming update you are going to want to take a look and see if this build fills your needs. It'll give you all the TWF feats as well as the THF feats along with all the shield feats for the up comming update.

If anyone else has a better idea I'm like to see it as I have a similar build that I'm working on atm.

[nckaratekid89]

I like the idea of adding ranger and monk. However are shields really worth the feats? I may just wanna do straight dps and not worry about tanking. Also what is the purpose of the twf feats? Thanks again for the build. I will take it into consideration, although I have already leveled to lvl 6 fighter.

[blitzschlag]

I like the idea of adding ranger and monk. However are shields really worth the feats? I may just wanna do straight dps and not worry about tanking. Also what is the purpose of the twf feats? Thanks again for the build. I will take it into consideration, although I have already leveled to lvl 6 fighter.

http://ddowiki.com/page/Two_Weapon_Fighting

and read improved and greater twf too

in general ddowiki is a good resource of information for those that want to get a grasp on game mechanics.


edit: oh, and as a newbie its mostly too late to think of a char if its already lvl 6. but even as a newbie lvl 6 is a matter of hours. rerolling is never a bad idea.

[elujin]

the most used way of tanking is by hp and dps "hate tanking"
you can use intimidate as a back up if you like

as an new toon i would go this way
a dwarf is a good chois
-good con and extra thoughness feats
- cha penalty doesn't hurt a fighter mutch
- dwarven axes tend to be cheap
-dwarven spell resists can help on some builds
-dwarven tactics can grant up to +3 to stunning blow /trip

i would go with a full or near full str 16 dex (+1 tome should be easy enough to get later on)
and the rest in con
take kensai
(meby ranger 6 tempest could be an option becous you you will get the first 2 twfs for free without the need for dex you will how ever need 17 dex for gtwf but it will buy you time on the +1 dex tome
and it wil give you modred bow use with bow str for when you need range)

feats
twf x3
stunning blow
power attack
weapon specialisation 2 feats
and the rest in thoughness or somthing els take atleast one though
oversized twf can help early on but can be switched out later.
(if you go ranger spring attack doge and mobility needs to be put in )

[nckaratekid89]

I will probably reroll then. The 13 int was for combat expertise until I realized tanking wasn't a good idea, at least not as a primary role. Should I also make sure I have a decent wis to help with will saves? The few times I've died with this character is when I'm held. Also am I hearing correctly that otwf is a negligible feat in the endgame?

[Astraghal]

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Level 20 Neutral Good Dwarf Male
(20 Fighter) 
Hit Points: 470
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 17
Reflex: 9
Will: 6

                  Starting            Ending          
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats        
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)        
Strength             18                 25            
Dexterity            15                 17            
Constitution         16                 18            
Intelligence         10                 12            
Wisdom                8                 10            
Charisma              6                  8            

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting            Ending          
                 Base Skills        Base Skills       
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)        
Balance               4                 14            
Bluff                -2                 -1            
Concentration         3                  5            
Diplomacy            -2                 -1            
Disable Device        n/a               n/a           
Haggle               -2                 -1            
Heal                 -1                  0            
Hide                  2                  3            
Intimidate           -2                 22            
Jump                  6                 21            
Listen               -1                  0            
Move Silently         2                  3            
Open Lock             n/a               n/a           
Perform              n/a               n/a            
Repair                0                  1            
Search                0                  1            
Spot                 -1                  0            
Swim                  4                  9            
Tumble                3                  4            
Use Magic Device     n/a               n/a            

Level 1 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Stunning Blow
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 4 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 5 (Fighter)


Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 7 (Fighter)


Level 8 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 11 (Fighter)


Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 13 (Fighter)


Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 16 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 17 (Fighter)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Superior Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 19 (Fighter)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Quick Draw
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Fighter Weapon Alacrity
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage II
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution II
Enhancement: Dwarven Tactics I
Enhancement: Dwarven Tactics II
Enhancement: Kensei Dwarven Waraxe Mastery I
Enhancement: Kensei Dwarven Waraxe Mastery II
Enhancement: Kensei Dwarven Waraxe Mastery III
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei III
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) I
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) II
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) III
Enhancement: Fighter Dwarven Waraxe Specialization I
Enhancement: Fighter Dwarven Waraxe Specialization II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II

[unbongwah]

Needs more Toughness. Maybe drop OTWF & Quick Draw, move PA to a ftr feat, and take 2 more Toughness?

[Jubbers]

I like the idea of adding ranger and monk. However are shields really worth the feats? I may just wanna do straight dps and not worry about tanking. Also what is the purpose of the twf feats? Thanks again for the build. I will take it into consideration, although I have already leveled to lvl 6 fighter.

The TWF feats are granted by ranger as you don't have the dex to get them without the ranger class.

The THF and shield feats are based off the U9 update notes and how the dwarf axe behaves when shielded up.
A Dwarven axe provides glancing blows, like a great axe dose, when wielded with a shield. The shield feats are to allow you to be able have a percentage damage reduction after update 9 goes live.