The end of the khopesh?

[Tom318]

I've just seen a crit resisted on a roll of 47. Anyone seen any higher failed rolls?

[Missing_Minds]

I've just seen a crit resisted on a roll of 47. Anyone seen any higher failed rolls?

What were you hitting? They could have just had fortification after all.

[Tom318]

What were you hitting? They could have just had fortification after all.

It was a dread zombie.. so it was fortification?

[FuzzyDuck81]

It was a dread zombie.. so it was fortification?

undead are all inherently immune to crits - burst weapons & effects that are "on crit" will still fire off (they're dependent on a critical ROLL not being vulnerable to critical damage) but they wont take the extra physical damage.

[katana_one]

Aren't undead immune to crits?

edit: fuzzyduck beat me to it.

[Pikeman]

Aren't undead immune to crits?

Some of the undead in Crystal Cove were critable, but otherwise, yeah.

[ceiswyn]

Some of the undead in Crystal Cove were critable, but otherwise, yeah.

The undead in Crystal Cove were just pirates dressed up as zombies to fool poor innocent clerics.

[sweez]

Just a note, undead aren't *immune* to crits per se, they just have 100% fort, which can AFAIK be lowered by fort-lowering attacks. Could be wrong tho.

[katana_one]

Just a note, undead aren't *immune* to crits per se, they just have 100% fort, which can AFAIK be lowered by fort-lowering attacks. Could be wrong tho.

Is it different in DDO? Because in 3.5 they are immune to critical hits, as are constructs, oozes and plants. I keep hearing people say that they gave these types of creatures 100% Fort instead of making them immune.

[PopeJual]

Just a note, undead aren't *immune* to crits per se, they just have 100% fort, which can AFAIK be lowered by fort-lowering attacks. Could be wrong tho.

When Opportunist came out, a developer (think it was Eladrin, but I'm not sure) said that some critters have 100% fort while some critters are just flat out immune to critical hit damage multiplication (and sneak attacks). The 100% fort critters can have their fortification lowered, but the just-plain-immune can't have their fort lowered.

This was pretty much just because when those creatures were being made, no one had fortification lowering effects or had thought of them at the time and those fort-immune critters should be changed to 100% fort "soon".

[Spoprockel]

On my rogue with the Opportunist feat i've often seen crits (multiplied weapon base damage) on undeads and constructs, so they seem to have 100% fort instead of immunity.

[PopeJual]

On my rogue with the Opportunist feat i've often seen crits (multiplied weapon base damage) on undeads and constructs, so they seem to have 100% fort instead of immunity.

Good news. When I had read that they would be changing crit-immune to 100% fort "soon", I was hoping that it would be actual soon and not shortly-after-Druids soon.

[Chette]

On my rogue with the Opportunist feat i've often seen crits (multiplied weapon base damage) on undeads and constructs, so they seem to have 100% fort instead of immunity.

Yup, seen the same thing with touch of despair. Throw it on the training dummy and it lasts even after you kill it. The next person to swing at it will be quite surprised

[FuzzyDuck81]

Yup, seen the same thing with touch of despair. Throw it on the training dummy and it lasts even after you kill it. The next person to swing at it will be quite surprised

i think after the dummy has been killed once all subsequent attacks become crits for a while (presumably "helpless" in u9?) even without fort-reducing abilities.. have noticed it while beating down with group members in prep for other quests.. 1st time round crits etc. roll as normal, 2nd time round every burst effect on my wraps is going off on every hit.

[Qindark]

The undead in Crystal Cove were just pirates dressed up as zombies to fool poor innocent clerics.

I enjoyed the undead that were healed by a monk's light attack.

[hermespan]

i think after the dummy has been killed once all subsequent attacks become crits for a while (presumably "helpless" in u9?) even without fort-reducing abilities.. have noticed it while beating down with group members in prep for other quests.. 1st time round crits etc. roll as normal, 2nd time round every burst effect on my wraps is going off on every hit.

qft i see the same thing

[Spoprockel]

i think after the dummy has been killed once all subsequent attacks become crits for a while (presumably "helpless" in u9?) even without fort-reducing abilities.. have noticed it while beating down with group members in prep for other quests.. 1st time round crits etc. roll as normal, 2nd time round every burst effect on my wraps is going off on every hit.

That is correct, all your burst effects go off, but you don't get your physical weapon damage multiplied on those crits, because it still has 100% fort.

[Chai]

I have seen undead crits after hitting them with some monk abilities that reduce fort.

I thought this was going to be another one of **those** khopesh threads, heh.

[Qindark]

The undead in Crystal Cove were just pirates dressed up as zombies to fool poor innocent clerics.

I enjoyed the undead that were healed by a monk's light attack.

[Malky]

The undead in Crystal Cove were just pirates dressed up as zombies to fool poor innocent clerics.

Greater Undead Bane weapons were working on those iirc