Spell penetration makeup?

[Buggss]

Been wondering how some people get such high numbers. I know the obvious parts; high int/cha for spell dc's and there are enhancements and feats, spell penetration (greater, standard and minor) items but what else increases this score as I've heard of numbers in the high 30's low 40's.

Where's it come from please?

Cheers...

[shagath]

3x wizard past life = +6
3x fvs past life = +3

= +9

[Buggss]

3x wizard past life = +6
3x fvs past life = +3

= +9

So nothing other than past lives gives anything more, meaning that soon TR will be a requirement as changes will be made around their spell pene rather than non-TR's?

Great...

[Nospheratus]

The new Elven Arcanum I/II/III/IV will give +1 to spell penetration rolls as well. (Which I consider extremely unfair to other races).

Things that affect spell penetration:
- Caster level (up to 20 or more with ship buffs, bard song, archmage set proc)
- Feats (Spell Penetration, Greater Spell Penetration)
- Enhancements (Spell Penetration I/II/III and now Elven Arcanum I/II/III/IV)
- Items (a bonus of 1, 2 or 3 - the best is +2 to level 9 or lower, or +3 to level 8 or lower)
- Past lives (Wizard gives +2 up to +6 and FvS gives +1 up to +3)

Without past lives you can have:
20 CL
4 Feats
3 Enhancements
4 Elven Arcanum Enhancements
2 Items (considering Spell Penetration IX)
---------------
33

2 Archmage proc (Can someone confirm if this stacks with bard or ship buff?)
1 Bard buff OR ship buff (I believe they don't stack)
--------------
36


36 (temporarily) without any past life feats and being an elf! 32 for other races.

42 with 3 wizard past lives, or 38 for other races


And btw, the drow in quests like OOB have an SR of around 45...

[mastergoo-ddo]

Archmage TOD set DOES NOT STACK. it gives same type of bonus as any item does.
dont consider its a good thing

[Nospheratus]

Archmage TOD set DOES NOT STACK. it gives same type of bonus as any item does.
dont consider its a good thing

Thanks!.. That's disappointing...

[mastergoo-ddo]

btw i dont mind there are sum monsters that have supreme Spell Resistance like Draw do.
let them be a power enemy let it be a bit challange!

and draw are still fine to be controlled by the "Web" spell that doenst have SR check (i bet 35+ DC is about to be usually success).

[Seventh]

The ship buffs don't stack either. And how are the elven enhancements unfair, considering how gimpy elves are otherwise? I thought they were a rather nice set of enhancements, giving elves a niche for folks who want to go all-out on SR.

[BrightAsh]

The new Elven Arcanum I/II/III/IV will give +1 to spell penetration rolls as well. (Which I consider extremely unfair to other races).

Things that affect spell penetration:
- Caster level (up to 20 or more with ship buffs, bard song, archmage set proc)
- Feats (Spell Penetration, Greater Spell Penetration)
- Enhancements (Spell Penetration I/II/III and now Elven Arcanum I/II/III/IV)
- Items (a bonus of 1, 2 or 3 - the best is +2 to level 9 or lower, or +3 to level 8 or lower)
- Past lives (Wizard gives +2 up to +6 and FvS gives +1 up to +3)

Without past lives you can have:
20 CL
4 Feats
3 Enhancements
4 Elven Arcanum Enhancements
2 Items (considering Spell Penetration IX)
---------------
33

2 Archmage proc (Can someone confirm if this stacks with bard or ship buff?)
1 Bard buff OR ship buff (I believe they don't stack)
--------------
36


36 (temporarily) without any past life feats and being an elf! 32 for other races.

42 with 3 wizard past lives, or 38 for other races


And btw, the drow in quests like OOB have an SR of around 45...

+3 with 3 FvS past lives makes it a 45 right? it'll be quite hard to find a mob with higher spel resist than that

[erikbozelie]

why cant our drow PC classes hit 48? o0

[Phidius]

why cant our drow PC classes hit 48? o0

Because we can't get to level 35 like the epic mobs did.

[erikbozelie]

Because we can't get to level 35 like the epic mobs did.

epic trash casters have 5k hp. estimated.

5000 / 35 = 142 - 4 caster = 138 con modifier.
or 286 constitution.

18 base
-2 elf drow
6 enhancemnt.
4 tome
2 shrine

why do i even bother to try.
i guess epic monsters are just broken ;(

[thwart]

I thought the answer to spell penetration makeup was ... rouge.

[PopeJual]

You need the assistance of a Rouge to get Spell Penetration Makeup to be as effective as possible.

[thwart]

You need the assistance of a Rouge to get Spell Penetration Makeup to be as effective as possible.

Wow ... great minds think alike.

[Phidius]

epic trash casters have 5k hp. estimated.

5000 / 35 = 142 - 4 caster = 138 con modifier.
or 286 constitution.

18 base
-2 elf drow
6 enhancemnt.
4 tome
2 shrine

why do i even bother to try.
i guess epic monsters are just broken ;(

Not sure what exactly you are trying to calculate, but keep in mind that mobs don't have the same "Heroic Durability" that we have.

We get 20 HP as a base, they can have anything the devs want to give them.

Example:

5000 - 4650 (monstrous durability) = 350 / 35 (levels) = 10 Con Modifier, or 30 Constitution.

[dkyle]

Archmage TOD set DOES NOT STACK. it gives same type of bonus as any item does.
dont consider its a good thing

Are you talking about the +2 CL proc effect you get with AM V?

I don't have any basis to disagree with you if you are, just want to make sure you're not just talking about the crit chance/crit multipier boosts from the base set bonus.