Dev - AH Limits, pls explain

[Marten]

In preparation for the forth coming crafting I am trying to stock up on cheap items and received the following error:

(Error): You have reached the maximum number of outstanding bids.

Can you please explain why this exists and consider increasing it?

Thank you for your feedback/support.

Wow, a negative rep for asking a question... sad.

[SardaofChaos]

In preparation for the forth coming crafting I am trying to stock up on cheap items and received the following error:

(Error): You have reached the maximum number of outstanding bids.

Can you please explain why this exists and consider increasing it if not removing it all together.

In preparation for the forth coming crafting I am trying to stock up on cheap items and received the following error:

I am trying to stock up

Not to be rude, but I believe you answered your own question.

[Kourier]

I'm pretty sure it's some kind of technical limit... What's the exact number? 32 or 31 would make sense as those are near a power of 2.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

I think I'd like to put 100000 mw arrows on the AH for 10 plat each.

You aren't thinking very hard if you can't think how no limits could be abused and cause database issues, performance issues, and just make the stupid thing hard to use.

[GotSomeQuestions]

I'm pretty sure it's some kind of technical limit... What's the exact number? 32 or 31 would make sense as those are near a power of 2.

I believe it's tied to the amount of space left in your mailbox. So really, it's a courtesy to make sure none of your auctions or bids vanish, which is what happens when the game sends you mail and your mailbox is full.

[Marten]

I believe it's tied to the amount of space left in your mailbox. So really, it's a courtesy to make sure none of your auctions or bids vanish, which is what happens when the game sends you mail and your mailbox is full.

I can understand this safeguard, then I would hope that the number of emails you can have should be looked at, can the system handle 64 or 128 now if it us true that its 32, 64, 128, ect based.

@SardaofChaos - typically to start a sentence that way mean you are and no, I don't think I have... crafting is going to require huge cache of weapons, armor, ect to make the materials needed. If I wanted to I could just use different characters to bid on different types of items so that I am not bidding against myself and use my shared bank but while I can do this it is very unnecessary.

@Lorien_the_First_One I can see your point on unlimited, someone would surely spend the hours it would take to do such a thing just to do it... I remember when the richest person on my EQ server converted all his coins to copper and crashed the server in the process. I will ignore the rude comment as when I ask questions I don't list every reason I think it might not be a good idea as that would stifle discussion.


I still think that this is something that could be looked at as it very likely will be the bottle neck when crafting hits live.

[SardaofChaos]

@SardaofChaos - typically to start a sentence that way mean you are and no, I don't think I have... crafting is going to require huge cache of weapons, armor, ect to make the materials needed. If I wanted to I could just use different characters to bid on different types of items so that I am not bidding against myself and use my shared bank but while I can do this it is very unnecessary.

I'll explain. You are attempting to stock up on items that are currently cheap because they are currently worthless, and not everyone follows development. This both cheats many people out of a little extra plat(since after crafting rolls out you can bet prices are going to change) and, if there were no limits, would mean that many fewer items available for those who just need that one more piece.
Hence the tl;dr "I am trying to stock up".

[NUDS]

I seriously doubt the limits was put in place to stop people from playing the AH. Like Martens said, you can simply log on to alts and place more bids, although it is tedious to do so.

It is more likely to have been implementable due to technical limitations (server workload etc).

I think I'd like to put 100000 mw arrows on the AH for 10 plat each.

You aren't thinking very hard if you can't think how no limits could be abused and cause database issues, performance issues, and just make the stupid thing hard to use.

With the current limitations in GUI? Good luck splitting 100000 arrows into stacks of 1 and dragging each arrow to the AH interface, entering prices and repeat 100000 times. Assuming it takes a person 5 seconds to list one arrow, that's roughly 138 hours of clicking and dragging(assuming no RSI). Is that worth grieving the server?



Compared to the game-that-shalt-not-be-named, I have found that the general UI here is very clumsy and limited. The recent improvements have brought it one step closer to being more streamlined and usable, although it is still very rigid and frustrating to use.

For example, when listing items in the AH the player has to drag each individual item to the box and fill in the prices, repeating this whole process for multiple items. A more stream-lined approach would be to designate an action that allows the user to for example right click on an item which loads it into the AH interface. Multiple items can be handled by specifying how many stacks of varying quantities the user wishes to list.

Regarding the hard-coded limits to listings/bids, I understand that the owners of the game might not have the resources available to other bigger companies. However, the limits as of now is still fairly low and as stated before, can be circumvented by simply using alts.

This can also be applied to the mail system, which is again extremely limited and inflexible. The limit of one item per mail is rather frustrating, as well as the same drag-and-drop system for attaching items. One possible reason for this may be to encourage the player to purchase the shared-bank (Incidentally tying in BtA items, which can't be mailed to ones own account).

A possible improvement is to increase the number of items that can be attached per mail, as well as improving the process of attaching items via actions binded to specific keys i.e. right clicking on items.


Of course, the majority of these problems can be solved using add-ons and scripting, except it doesn't look like this game would be supporting player-created add-ons or Lua scripting any time soon, which is a shame because this gives the player the power to customise the game to their specific needs and requirements, for a better gaming experience.

[IronClan]

I'll explain. You are attempting to stock up on items that are currently cheap because they are currently worthless, and not everyone follows development. This both cheats many people out of a little extra plat(since after crafting rolls out you can bet prices are going to change) and, if there were no limits, would mean that many fewer items available for those who just need that one more piece.
Hence the tl;dr "I am trying to stock up".

That's one way to look at it, the other way is that he's being proactive, and keeping up with whats going on.... And you're using your rather personal sense of propriety are being rude and judgmental. In either case neg repping someone because you think they should be altruistic and not take advantage of foreknowledge of game changes is against the rules. Neg repping someone for being rude and derailing a thread on the other hand is reasonable.

[SardaofChaos]

That's one way to look at it, the other way is that he's being proactive, and keeping up with whats going on.... And you're using your rather personal sense of propriety are being rude and judgmental. In either case neg repping someone because you think they should be altruistic and not take advantage of foreknowledge of game changes is against the rules. Neg repping someone for being rude and derailing a thread on the other hand is reasonable.

Call it what you want, it's still something he shouldn't be asking the devs to help him with. And I like how you assume I was the one to neg rep; the system stopped letting me do that when my rep went out of the red.

Edit: I actually got neg rep for both of my posts in this thread. Am I allowed to assume Marten is just angry that I disagree with him, or should I do the right thing and ignore it, not retaliating or announcing it?

[Zenako]

A number of things come into play. For both bids and posts, there is a limit of 20 slots available at the same time.

Mailboxes have an incoming limit on the number of on incoming mail items (roughly 100 or so is my recollection). Whenever you post or bid on an item on the AH, it reserves one of those slots to receive either the returned item or bid or your won item or plat from the sale. IF the mailbox is full, and it tried to autosend your proceeds, those proceeds would simply vanish into the overwrite/overflow wastebasket.

So to prevent players from losing items or plat that way, they put in limits. The Mailbox limits were established long before the Shared Bank, and extra Bank Slots existed. Some players were using the first versions of the mail system as warehouses. This was not how they intended the system to be used, so limits were installed.

[MsEricka]

No one owes you any explanation other than

cuz i said so

[Barumar]

Not sure how this great suggestion - that HAS come up many times before - got side-tracked, but I agree it would be really nice to bid on more than 20 items at a time.

Again, he was NOT talking about splitting stacks and posting 100 of the same item - now there is somethign for the Dev's to add code to prevent - hate when someone finds it fun to do that .

Anyway, seeing:

(Error): You have reached the maximum number of outstanding bids.

Happens to me every year during Festivus with I am bidding on all of the non-buyout Auctions of Cookies/Cakes to add to my (well GotCookies) collection .

Dev's I hope you see this and consider raising this seemingly unnecessarily low threshhold!

Barumar

[luvirini]

Yes, I think the posting limit is pretty good, I occasionally hit it but not often. It is there to stop flooding with things like single arrows or single collectables.

But the bid limit is way too small, I seem to be hitting it all the time and having to switch characters is just annoying.

And no.. the limit is not related to mailbox size you can easily have hundred mails in the mailbox and yet with empty mailbox cannot bid on more than 20 items.

[kinar]

The worst thing about the bid limit is that it doesn't allow you to even use buyouts anymore on auctions when this happens. They need to add code so that when you want to use the buyout option and your limit has already been reached, it increases the limit by 1 and decreases it again when you delete a mail item so it goes back to the normal limit (assuming it is correct that is what the limit is tied to).

[AMDarkwolf]

Need to clear this up because there are a bunch of confused people visiting this thread.

Hes not at all talking about the limit to PLACE ITEMS on the AH. This he understands, there is a nice limit of 40 items you can "SELL"

Hes talking about the person, as a BUYER, can't place bids because he reached his limit. There SHOULD be no limit (Assuming your inbox is empty, and that you have the funds onhand to afford the bid)

I have also experienced this bug (and it is a bug) on live, for years now, where even IF you are outbid, you cannot 'rebid' and you get that error. This is with 10-15 total bids' on the list(IE Any outbid auction I didn't feel was worth bidding on was deleted from the list, yet even though I have nothing in my inbox, no bids placed beyond the 15ish or so i have, I still get the 'you have reached your max' message, which means i cannot 'rebid' when I got outbid on something.

I think that a limit of 50 'bids' is ok. This means that anything I have been outbid on is NOT a bid.(I can bid again if this is the case since being outbid means one less bid of mine out there)

[Shade]

Are you on a F2P account?
Auctions are limited by design for those.

VIPs are meant to be unlimited.

Can try to argue it, but it very clearly says so on the official VIP page:
http://www.ddo.com/vip

[little_me]

hate to argue with you shade but the problem OP says sticks to VIP's also.

ergo, you cannot BID on more than 20 items even as VIP (this is what OP doesn't like)
you can POST up to 50 items as VIP (not unlimited as said on vip page)


and i think only difference between free, premium and vip is only in POSTING items to auction

[Letrii]

Highly doubt it's a F2P account since he's a Founder, could be Premium though.

[Lithic]

Are you on a F2P account?
Auctions are limited by design for those.

VIPs are meant to be unlimited.

Can try to argue it, but it very clearly says so on the official VIP page:
http://www.ddo.com/vip

Pretty sure VIPs have the same limits as premiums, which is 50 IIRC, same as the mailbox.

Its not "extra-limited" as F2Pers are heh.