Build Feedback - 12 Fighter / 6 Paladin / 2 Rogue - Kensei II / Defender I

[Propane]

Hay peps –

I am looking to TR my 16 Paladin / 2 Fighter / 2 Rogue-

(with new changes coming in update 9 - I still think this should work well)

After working on this for awhile, I did a quick search and found a few builds that has some similar points…

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=139674

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...t=Evasion+Tank

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...=batman&page=2

Also similar to Gratch’s build on page 2

I haven’t got into Epics yet, so I am not including any of the epic gear-

The goals of the build
Hate-tank / Intima-tank- they will be more of one and the same with mod 9
Self sufficient (UMD-open locks)
DPS

Anyway – here is what I am working on and I would like to get some feedback

12 Fighter / 6 Paladin / 2 Rogue - Kensei II / Defender I

12 Fighter
Kense II – Feats - DPS - Power Surge!

6 Paladin
Divine Righteousness (for hate tanking)
Defender of Siberys I (bonus when shield blocking)
Boost to saves with CHR bonus (+6)
Immunity to Diseases and Fear
Defender of Siberys Stance - 25% increased hate, +2 dodge/STR/CON
UMD LV 10 Wands of Expeditious Retreat to help to the slower movement

2 Rogue
Skills – UMD and Open Lock –
Evasion

Below is my initial plan for gear and what I think the build would look like at LV 20. I have most of the gear already – will try to get the rest before I TR (might not though…)

The “crunchy” section is fairly conservative – I don’t list to many ILS* stats – more along the lines of minimal base line numbers.

A few thoughts things I have been wrestling with…

1) Keeping Improved Shield Mastery (lv 18 Feat)?
a. extra Toughness – was trying for 600 HP un-buffed – but couldn’t quite get there-
b. Improved Shield Bash – 20% proc coming in Mod 9
c. Pally Past Life Feat – Soldier of the Faith – 3 Divine Favors/rest
d. I was planning on swapping out OTWF for Power Attack – keep OTWF

2) I considered 2 Monk instead of 2 Rogue – UMD and Open lock vs 2 extra feats… I am leaning towards the Rogue though – UMD is hard to give up

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.8.0
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Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(12 Fighter \ 6 Paladin \ 2 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 414
Spell Points: 25 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 23
Reflex: 17
Will: 10

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    22
Dexterity            15                    18
Constitution         16                    22
Intelligence         11                    13
Wisdom                8                    10
Charisma             11                    14

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 13

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               6                    16
Bluff                 0                     4
Concentration         3                    11
Diplomacy             0                     4
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                4                     6
Heal                 -1                     0
Hide                  2                     4
Intimidate            4                    34
Jump                  7                    17
Listen               -1                     0
Move Silently         2                     4
Open Lock             6                    11
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                     1
Search                0                     1
Spot                  3                     4
Swim                  7                    10
Tumble                6                     8
Use Magic Device      4                    25

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting


Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Least Dragonmark of Sentinel


Level 4 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 5 (Fighter)


Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Feat: (Selected) Shield Mastery


Level 7 (Fighter)


Level 8 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Paladin)


Level 11 (Paladin)


Level 12 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Paladin)


Level 14 (Paladin)


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Combat Expertise


Level 16 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 17 (Fighter)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Shield Mastery
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 19 (Fighter)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Paladin Armor Class Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery I
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Fighter Tower Shield Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Tower Shield Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Khopesh Specialization I
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery III
Enhancement: Deneith Intimidation I
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Focus of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Righteousness I
Enhancement: Paladin Defender of Siberys I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate I
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate II
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate III
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate IV
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness IV

Gear

Head Minos Legens
Goggles GreenSteel AAA + 6 CHR skills 150SP, Wizard VI
Neck CON +6 -> WIS +6 --> WIS +6 Greensteel something
Trinket BloodStone, HoGF, Mbat
Cloak CHR + 6
Belt GFL -> Defender of Siberys (CON 6 and GFL)
Ring 1 Tumble Weed (Dex 6 + 2 to hit)
Ring 2 Intimidate Ring / Defender of Siberys
Boots Feather Fall, Striding, Anchoring, etc
Gloves GreenSteel + 45 HP Earth-Earth-Earth
Bracers STR 6 / Leviks
DT Leather + 5 Resistance, Protection +5 , Levik
DT Full Plate + 5 Resistance, Incite 15%, Levik

AC

10 Base
8 DT Leather
1 Eldritch DT Armor Update
5 Protection
7 Dex (24)
2 Pally Aura
5 CE
3 BarkSkin Pot
4 Shroud Incite Min II weapon
2 Protection From Evil

47 Evasion - two weapons

9 Leviks Shield - Dex Bonus 4 + Defender (1) and Tower Shield Mastery (2) = 7
1 Eldritch Shield update
1 Leviks 3 part set (Incite +5 - only 1 over Shroud Weapon)

58 Evasion - Self buffed Sword & Board Fighting

2 Bark Skin - 12 Ranger Casted
1 Haste
4 Bard Song
2 Defensive Stance (+ 2 Dodge from DoS I)

67 Evasion - Raid Buffed Sword & Board Fighting

2 When Blocking (+2 blocking)


HP Breakdown

414 Base (LV 20 From Planner)
10 GH Favor
60 +6 CON item
30 GFL
45 Shroud HP item
20 Minos Legens

579 Unbuffed Standing

Intimidate Brake Down

34 Base (LV 20 From Planner)
3 +6 CHR Item
6 AAA Shroud
15 + 15 Ring
1 Kensei I
1 Kensei II
2 HOGF (won't be using Blood Stone at the same time)

62 Standing

4 GH
1 Prayer
2 Bard Song

69 Buffed

UMD Breakdown

25 Base (LV 20 From Planner)
3 +6 CHR Item
6 AAA Shroud
2 Hero Pot
2 HoGF

38 Self-buffed
Good enough for RR item, raise dead, teleport, lots of wand, etc…

Threat - two weapon fighting
100% Base
25% Defender of Siberys
20% Leviks 2 part set

145% Normal
245% Divine Righteousness

Healing Amp

100% Base
30% Human
20% Leviks Bracers
5% Paladin Past Life

164% Healing Amp

* If Lighting Strikes

[Aaxeyu]

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=288851

[Feithlin]

Going Fighter 12 / Paladin 6 / Rogue 2 (or Monk 2) seems a good template with the changes to intimidate.
The main benefit of Paladin 6 is Divine righteousness of course. I don't think the threat generation from DoS I and Divine righteousness are cumulative though (but it probably stacks with SD II), so your threat generation would be: 100% + 100% Divine righteousness + 20% Leviks = 220% of your damage.
If you can reach a high enough Intimidate (i.e. enough to be successful), you will get a bonus to threat generation: 80% average if using shield (100% during 12 sec. every 15 sec.) or 20% average without (50% during 6 sec.), bringing you to 300% with shield and 240% without.

I am thinking about a similar change for the tank I'm leveling. Another option (with similar layout) would be SD II / HotD I. That would bring more healing amp. and a better threat generation (+33% from SD II) but less dps.
What makes me wait a bit is the loss compared to my original Fighter 18 / Rogue 2 plan: without SD III, I'll loose a lot of AC... The main problem being that this AC will be useless if I can't keep aggro, which, on a SD III, requires a lot more gear than if I get the easy Divine righteousness button...

[Propane]

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=288851

That is one of the threads I reviewed!

I wanted to get a little more defence
- dropped stunning blow and quickdraw
- picked up sheild mastery&CE

The new damage reduction with sheild mastery will be very nice- still not sure it is worth it...

With all the new stuff coming - it am hoping it will work out well-

Although I have been working on this for awhile now... I feel like a noob with all the discussion of the new stuff coming ...

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=310199

[Propane]

In regards to AC vs DPS balance - I am trying to find the right balance...

Is an AC 70 (with shield and evasion) worth anything...
AC 75 without evasion...

If you are now getting hit on a 8 or 10, instead of a 2 - that has to help our heals some...

Otherwise - we can go the otherway - AC of 20 with damage gards to help maintain agro...

[AylinIsAwesome]

I think you might be better with SD 2 and either KotC 1 or HotD 1. You'd get some more threat out of it, as well as +2 AC and +2 Intim.

[Propane]

mmm that is an interesting thought... I will lay that out tonight and see what it looks like...

Lossing Power Surge will hurts some

But the extra AC and DR is very nice... might free up a feat as well

Thanks both of you for the input!

EDIT - On a too long of a work trip - need to finish and post soon - it is looking better!

[Propane]

Hay peps-

I finally got a break from work to work on this build some more.
Thanks for the suggestion – I like the update version much more

The update…

Waulter the Fist
12 Fighter / 6 Paladin / 2 Rogue - Stalwart Defender II / Hunter of the Undead

Again – I really haven’t got into epics much – maybe will more after the update…
The gear listed is mostly what I have now (need the last tier of the DT armor)

A few questions I have –

Does DS I and DS II – give a DEX increase to both armor and shields?

As for feats – I have Cleave (due to the update) but Greater Weapon Focus Slashing (+2) to hit, a second Toughness, Solider of Faith (Paladin past life feat), Improved Shield Bash / Mastery - all look like a possibility… suggestions?

Thanks inadvance for other comments / input!

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.8.0
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Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(12 Fighter \ 6 Paladin \ 2 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 414
Spell Points: 45 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 23
Reflex: 17
Will: 10

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    22
Dexterity            15                    18
Constitution         16                    22
Intelligence         11                    13
Wisdom                8                    10
Charisma             11                    14

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 13

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               6                    16
Bluff                 0                     2
Concentration         3                     6
Diplomacy             0                     2
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                4                     6
Heal                 -1                     0
Hide                  2                     4
Intimidate            4                    36
Jump                  7                    17
Listen               -1                     0
Move Silently         2                     4
Open Lock             6                    11
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                     1
Search                0                     1
Spot                  3                     4
Swim                  7                    10
Tumble                6                     8
Use Magic Device      4                    25

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Least Dragonmark of Sentinel


Level 4 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Shield Mastery


Level 5 (Fighter)


Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting


Level 7 (Fighter)


Level 8 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Paladin)


Level 11 (Paladin)


Level 12 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Paladin)


Level 14 (Paladin)


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 16 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Combat Expertise


Level 17 (Fighter)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Cleave
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 19 (Fighter)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Stalwart Defender I
Enhancement: Fighter Stalwart Defender II
Enhancement: Fighter Tower Shield Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Khopesh Specialization I
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery III
Enhancement: Deneith Intimidation I
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense I
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Righteousness I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Hunter of the Dead I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate I
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate II
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate III
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate IV
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness IV
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning I
Enhancement: Paladin Improved Turning I

Gear

Head Minos Legens
Goggles GreenSteel AAA + 6 CHR skills 150SP, Wizard VI
Neck CON +6 -> Protection 5 WIS 2 (have it in the bank)
Trinket BloodStone, HoGF, Mbat
Cloak CHR + 6
Belt GFL -> Defender of Siberys (CON 6 and GFL)
Ring 1 Tumble Weed (Dex 6 + 2 to hit)
Ring 2 Intimidate Ring
Boots Feather Fall, Striding, Anchoring, etc
Gloves GreenSteel + 45 HP Earth-Earth-Earth
Bracers STR 6 / Leviks
DT Leather + 5 Resistance, Protection +5 , Levik


AC

10 Base
8 DT Leather
1 Eldritch DT Armor Update
5 Protection
7 Dex (24)
2 Pally Aura
5 CE
3 BarkSkin Pot
4 Shroud Incite Min II weapon
2 Protection From Evil
3 Stalwart Defender II (Dodge) - In Stance

50 Evasion - two weapons

9 Leviks Shield - Dex Bonus 4 + Stalwart Defender II (2) and Tower Shield Mastery (1) = 7
1 Eldritch Shield update
1 Leviks 3 part set (Incite +5 - only 1 over Shroud Weapon)

61 Evasion - Self buffed Sword & Board Fighting

2 Bark Skin - 12 Ranger Casted
1 Haste
4 Bard Song

68 Evasion - Raid Buffed Sword & Board Fighting

______________________

AC Full Plate - Non Evastion

10 Base
16 Epic Cavalry Plate Tier 2
1 Eldritch DT Armor Update
5 Protection
7 Dex (24) Amor limit 3 + 2 for AP spend + 2 SD II
2 Pally Aura
5 CE
3 BarkSkin Pot
4 Shroud Incite Min II weapon
2 Protection From Evil
3 Stalwart Defender II (Dodge) - In Stance


58 Two Weapon

9 Leviks Shield - Dex Bonus 4 + Stalwart Defender II (2) and Tower Shield Mastery (1) = 7
1 Eldritch Shield update
1 Leviks 3 part set (Incite +5 - only 1 over Shroud Weapon)

69 Self buffed Sword & Board Fighting

2 Bark Skin - 12 Ranger Casted
1 Haste
4 Bard Song

76 Raid Buffed Sword & Board Fighting


HP Breakdown

414 Base (LV 20 From Planner)
10 GH Favor
60 +6 CON item
30 GFL
45 Shroud HP item
20 Minos Legens

579 Unbuffed Standing

Intimidate Brake Down

32 Base (LV 20 From Planner)
3 +6 CHR Item
6 AAA Shroud
15 + 15 Ring
2 Stalwart Defender I
2 Stalwart Defender II
(Blood Stone will be in trinket spot)

60 Standing

4 GH
1 Prayer
2 Bard Song

67 Buffed

UMD Breakdown

25 Base (LV 20 From Planner)
3 +6 CHR Item
6 AAA Shroud
2 Hero Pot
2 HoGF

38 Self-buffed
Good enough for RR item, raise dead, teleport, lots of wand, etc…

Threat
100% Base
33% Stalwart Defender Stance II
20% Leviks 2 part set

153% Normal - Two Weapon fighting

100% Divine Righteousness

253% Normal - Two Weapon fighting with Divine Righteousness

80% Sucessful Intimiate with Sheild & Divine Righteouseness

333% Max Threat Boost

Healing Amp

100% Base
30% Human
20% Leviks Bracers
10% HotD
5% Paladin Past Life

180% Healing Amp

[Propane]

Bump - looking for a little more feedback on the updated build-

Thanks in advance