So long MinIIs

[maddmatt70]

Just as long as ls2, raid weapons, or epic weapons remain top dog it does not matter.

[Cold_Stele]

Epic mobs retain their stat-damage resistance, WoP won't be OP in epics.

Is that confirmed on Lammania (I hope so). The dev comment on 'removal of blanket immunities' was aimed directly at Epics IIRC.

[Cold_Stele]

Just as long as ls2, raid weapons, or epic weapons remain top dog it does not matter.

Agreed

+1

[BitkaCK2]

We have just to hope that the store sells also silver threaded handwraps. Farming those is REALLY a pain.

I'm not on Lama and probably missed something about not being able to deconstruct a named item but I recall that Eternal Rest from Catacombs are silver threaded. Would these work?

bitkaCK2

[Tydeth]

Is that confirmed on Lammania (I hope so). The dev comment on 'removal of blanket immunities' was aimed directly at Epics IIRC.

Iirc, that was refering only to the blanket death immunities in epics(meaning stuff like Rogue Assassin powers, Vorpal, etc. now work). If they also removed the blanket resistances to stat damage aswell, it has not been said. I don't think that's the case.

[Hambo]

"Shintao"

Gesundheit

[joneb1999]

Silver holy burst of greater evil outsider bane is only of full use to one creature type to get the full damage no? Isn't the damage of such a greatsword weapon at best 2d6 +5+2d6 (+3d6 crit) plus +4d6?

A Min 2 is useful against all dr that can be bypassed? There are so many more creatures whose dr is not just evil or/and silver. Im not just talking demon queen either. http://ddowiki.com/page/Monster_DR_and_weaknesses

A Min 2 greatsword with acid and good burst does 3d6 damage + 5 +1d6 +1d6 (+3d6 crit)+1d4 bleeding. Clearly not as good as the silver holy etc against one type of creature but still so much more usefull all round. Then of course count in the keen (freeing up a feat), the use of stoneskin x 2 and the bonus of +2 exceptional constitution (or other choices).

Also when you fight mobs you are not always fighting one type or all same drs so you will not have to swap weapons during battle for different target dr. When you consider that more end game content available isnt all evil outsiders as in epics this is clearly a more useful all round weapon which it always was seen as.

[PopeJual]

Silver holy burst of greater evil outsider bane is only of full use to one creature type to get the full damage no? Isn't the damage of such a greatsword weapon at best 2d6 +5+2d6 (+3d6 crit) plus +4d6?

A Min 2 is useful against all dr that can be bypassed? There are so many more creatures whose dr is not just evil or/and silver. Im not just talking demon queen either. http://ddowiki.com/page/Monster_DR_and_weaknesses

A Min 2 greatsword with acid and good burst does 3d6 damage + 5 +1d6 +1d6 (+3d6 crit)+1d4 bleeding. Clearly not as good as the silver holy etc against one type of creature but still so much more usefull all round. Then of course count in the keen (freeing up a feat), the use of stoneskin x 2 and the bonus of +2 exceptional constitution (or other choices).

Also when you fight mobs you are not always fighting one type or all same drs so you will not have to swap weapons during battle for different target dr. When you consider that more end game content available isnt all evil outsiders as in epics this is clearly a more useful all round weapon which it always was seen as.

Almost every creature that would take more damage from a MinII weapon than from a Holy Burst Silver [whatever] of GLOB would take even MORE damage still from a LitII weapon.

Of the creatures that require a metal type, you are still better off with a LitII weapon most of the time.

[joneb1999]

Almost every creature that would take more damage from a MinII weapon than from a Holy Burst Silver [whatever] of GLOB would take even MORE damage still from a LitII weapon.

Of the creatures that require a metal type, you are still better off with a LitII weapon most of the time.

Yeh but isnt the min 2 still better versus raid bosses? If so is it not the trade off that the min 2 is inferior to the lit 2 crafted for general mobs or inferior to specifically raid boss beaters but the next best thing in each case so that certain classes that dont have the space for all weapon types just carry one weapon from now on.

If not I need a lit 2.

[Shade]

Just as long as ls2, raid weapons, or epic weapons remain top dog it does not matter.

They don't for certain builds/situations.

EX: THF Barbarian vs horoth or any other devil boss with standard dr/fort on hard/elite:

Aside from the ultra rare/temporary devils ruin augmented esos,
holy burst silver greataxe of geob is the best weapon in the game for them. (Best permanent one anyways) Even just +4 holy surpasses min2.

and the fact you can (theoretically) just mostly buy such a powerful weapon that eclipses even an epic sos with your credit card..

Terrible.

PS: Leloric and other who dont understand how crafing works yet:

You will NOT have to grind out crafting xp on every melee that you want a wepaon like that on. Just 1.
Shards are bound to account. Thus craft the shards on your crafter, then transfer and complete the weapon. (completing weapons has no checks)

Rich players who have tons of melee.. After a bit of initial grind, will have these weapons on every single one of there melee without issue or much time investment.

[PopeJual]

Yeh but isnt the min 2 still better versus raid bosses? If so is it not the trade off that the min 2 is inferior to the lit 2 crafted for general mobs or inferior to specifically raid boss beaters but the next best thing in each case so that certain classes that dont have the space for all weapon types just carry one weapon from now on.

If not I need a lit 2.

LitII is very slightly better than MinII in Shroud, VoD and ToD on Normal. MinII is better than LitII in Shroud, VoD and ToD on Hard and Elite.

+4 Holy Burst Silver [whatever] of GLOB is always better than MinII in Shroud, VoD and ToD at every difficulty level.

[Unreliable]

Hi, you point out that the items values are in Turbine Points, however, please tell me there are other ways to get those items... If not I am extremely dissapointed.

I dont care if it takes some hard work in game to get 320 whatever's, But I really hope the only way to craft good weps isnt just though TP.

Thanks

And BTW no i did not read through the 50 replies to this thread, so I may have missed my answer.

[Zack77]

Hi, you point out that the items values are in Turbine Points, however, please tell me there are other ways to get those items... If not I am extremely dissapointed.

I dont care if it takes some hard work in game to get 320 whatever's, But I really hope the only way to craft good weps isnt just though TP.

Thanks

And BTW no i did not read through the 50 replies to this thread, so I may have missed my answer.

You really should read a thread before posting, but here's your answer regardless:

When you deconstruct an item's suffix or prefix, you get a certain amount of crafting material depending on the effect's school and sub-school.

[KillEveryone]

Hi, you point out that the items values are in Turbine Points, however, please tell me there are other ways to get those items... If not I am extremely dissapointed.

I dont care if it takes some hard work in game to get 320 whatever's, But I really hope the only way to craft good weps isnt just though TP.

Thanks

And BTW no i did not read through the 50 replies to this thread, so I may have missed my answer.

You don't have to spend any TP unless you want a trinket and that is because there are no randomly generated trinkets to make a base.

You get your materials by stripping weapons. You'll be doing a lot of that just getting your skill level up.

[Letrii]

You really should read a thread before posting, but here's your answer regardless:

When you deconstruct an item's suffix or prefix, you get a certain amount of crafting material depending on the effect's school and sub-school.

Some of the essences are only gained from questing and not decon, right?

[Feithlin]

What the new system brings is the possibility for newer players (or those who have a lot of toons) to bring their char near older ones. This is not a bad thing imo.
Plus, the ability to craft your own items is part of the universe. Turbine is probably preparing the ground for the Artificer class, which is an important class in Eberron.
Will this destroy high end content. Certainly not. Epic items are still way better than those.
Again, I think Turbine is preparing for something to come. The new quests are level 15, probably followed by complementary quests level 16 (like they did for Attack on Stormreach). Next sets of quests: levels 17-18, then 19-20. At this time, they could bring a new radical change by introducing epic levels.
All this seems unbalancing if you compare to the actual state of the game, or the amount of time spent by many players to create their GS weapons. But, as I said above, the state of the game always changes (the actual DDO really doesn't look the same as when level cap was 10), and the time spent is to be the best at a given time, not always.

[maddmatt70]

They don't for certain builds/situations.

EX: THF Barbarian vs horoth or any other devil boss with standard dr/fort on hard/elite:

Even the tower raid is an old raid at this point. That is what we are talking about is tower hard/elite, shroud hard/elite, vod hard/elite. These raids are at least 1.5 years old so if somebody makes the best weapon or equivalent to the best weapon for an old school raid shrug it really does not matter in a sense. What I am more concerned about is new content. If they released new end game content and this was the scenario I would have a problem with it. In newer content within a year (epic chrono, epic DA, Epic Fens) the best weapons are epic sos, ls2, etc. If these new crafting weapons beat those out I would have more of an issue.

[Neouni]

Some of the essences are only gained from questing and not decon, right?

Lesser are gained by questing, greater by deconstruction.

But there may be a chance in deconstruction or some conversion in construction that isn't in for gaining lesser magical essences.

[Junts]

Even the tower raid is an old raid at this point. That is what we are talking about is tower hard/elite, shroud hard/elite, vod hard/elite. These raids are at least 1.5 years old so if somebody makes the best weapon or equivalent to the best weapon for an old school raid shrug it really does not matter in a sense. What I am more concerned about is new content. If they released new end game content and this was the scenario I would have a problem with it. In newer content within a year (epic chrono, epic DA, Epic Fens) the best weapons are epic sos, ls2, etc. If these new crafting weapons beat those out I would have more of an issue.

A major factor in this will turn out to be a question we cannot answer right now:

will adding 'craftable' by stripping all the abilities off something make it no longer considered 'random loot' and consequently rule out a risia ritual?

Being able to make +5 holy icy burst greater banes for appropriate weapontypes would have the ability to compete with lightnings, though probably not with the epic sos. But without the ability to icy burst these weapons will still fall short of lit2 goodness as long as the mob takes the lightning damage.

[DevHead]

Wait...you have to use TP to craft? You literally have to pay each time you want to craft something? Screw that. I was excited for crafting, but at least adventure packs you only pay for once.

Turbine, stop being a bunch of ******s.