Are you keeping extend?

[SiliconShadow]

I read alot of tough talk about people dropping extend, but after a little ways into update 9 people will pick it back up at least assuming groups still run with melee at the end game. We are all addicted to haste to the point life without it is unimagineable and casting haste on the melee every two minutes sucks. +2 spell penetration or +1 school dcs is not worth the aggravation of casting haste or rage every 2 minutes not to mention displacements. I am keeping extend on my 3 bards and sorc for sure.

I was saying the same thing, not taking extend is short sighted, it is a team player feat not a greedy feat.

There are plenty of times, in raids where the caster is handing out some of the buffs, if they aren't extended they won't last the encounter, same in epics, which makes them to me I don't want in my raids because there has to be a safety margin.

I got 6 neg reps for saying this last time, those 6 people just don't understand that there are 12 people in a raid not just 1. There are 6 people in a party not just 1.

Imagine an elite ToD or VoD last fight can last around 20 minutes, get towards the end of that peoples buffs go especially the tanks, it could of just gone south. I am a raid leader for my guild more often than not and safety margins are built into the strategy this includes extended buffs.

Even IF you know you usually do it in 10 minutes, you never know when someone will DC or the tank will go south, or someone just gets unlucky, extend is a safety margin that is key at endgame.

[salmag]

My Bard will keep it.
My Sorc will not.
My Wizard will keep it.

[zorander6]

My wizard will keep it
My cleric will drop it
My other cleric will drop it.

[elujin]

meele virtuoso YES
caster fvs nope
sorcerer mebey

[Thrudh]

Wizard will keep it
Paladin will keep it (Extend allows me to use Madstone boots effectively with Zeal and Divine Power and Prayer)

Melee cleric - on the fence... probably will drop it.

[Aeolwind]

Prob take it at low level then dump it around 12 or so when durations become fairly unimportant. Leaves some flexibility now.

[Isolani]

I would like to drop it, but I'll run around for a bit with extend off to see how annoying 2 min. haste/displacements are. If it's too aggravating I'll keep it, if not I'll drop it. At low levels I would still definitely take it, but swapping it out at higher levels is pretty enticing now.

[Raiderone]

Never had Extend to begin with on my Divine Avenger FVS and Pally Intimi Tank.

I'll be dropping it on my Sorc most definitely. For now I'll keep Extend on my Wizard since he's currently leveling again (TR).

Not sure about my Cleric & Bard, probably keep for now (wait and see) or drop during next life(TR).

[Sirea]

Imagine an elite ToD or VoD last fight can last around 20 minutes, get towards the end of that peoples buffs go especially the tanks, it could of just gone south. I am a raid leader for my guild more often than not and safety margins are built into the strategy this includes extended buffs.

Even IF you know you usually do it in 10 minutes, you never know when someone will DC or the tank will go south, or someone just gets unlucky, extend is a safety margin that is key at endgame.

I would hope that if a guild regularly does elite raids they would a.) have well-geared characters that wouldn't need 20 minutes to beat down a raid boss, and b.) know something about mana conservation/regeneration and be able to compensate for having to cast a few more hastes, or at least be willing to suck down a few mana pots. What do casters have to do in either of those raids anyway that require a ton of SP?

If your guild can't adjust strategies to compensate for changing game mechanics, I don't know what to tell you.

[8_Rath_8]

I will keep it on my wizard but not on my sorc.

Sorc feats are too tight to keep a feat for 3 spells. I will just cast them twice as often.

[cdemeritt]

on my wizard... I'm still debating it... I might, but will most likely pass for something more useful like a 2nd toughness...

[wraithdom]

My wizard will keep it ( pale master )

[lethargos]

Im pretty sure they renamed extend for sf'
evocation for sorcs

[TDarkchylde]

Every character I have that currently has Extend will be keeping Extend. Even the feat-starved Drow Sorc.

[zwiebelring]

I am a lazy guy so I keep it on my FvS. But first I see what the change of spell durations is like. But maybe I'll change Maximize for Empower Spell.

[Musouka]

in a human sorc build I have been toying with, it is possible to drop toughness at a later level, as it will only affect 42 HP, yet I'd still be able to attain 450 HP easily. So dropping toughness would open up a feat for either Extend or Greater Spell Pen. I'm leaning toward the spell pen, though.

[rdasca]

For both of my Bards I will be keeping it.
My FvS, it will be dropped.
My Sorc, he is low level and does not have it and will not be taking it as he levels.
My Wizard, I am unsure, I do not think it is worth 3 spells at level 20; however, I can see where haste wearing off twice as fast might be a problem if I am busy and cannot recast it fast enough for those needy melee types.

I do not know, we shall see; but, I think as time goes on extend well end up being about as useful as eschew materials, kind of a flavor build thing, but not really useful to most people.

[maddmatt70]

I would hope that if a guild regularly does elite raids they would a.) have well-geared characters that wouldn't need 20 minutes to beat down a raid boss, and b.) know something about mana conservation/regeneration and be able to compensate for having to cast a few more hastes, or at least be willing to suck down a few mana pots. What do casters have to do in either of those raids anyway that require a ton of SP?

If your guild can't adjust strategies to compensate for changing game mechanics, I don't know what to tell you.

Extend is not about mana conservation. It really never has been about mana conservation. It is all about casting something twice instead of casting something once. If you have to cast something twice that means you are doing less things in a 4 minute spam then you could have otherwise. That is less dps, less buffs, and less everything else. Having extend will provide more dps per 4 minute period then spell focus or spell penetration will almost certainly. The same goes if all the melee have to haste themselves that is less dps for everybody. If your guild can not figure that out I do not know what to tell you.

[Thrudh]

Extend is not about mana conservation. It really never has been about mana conservation. It is all about casting something twice instead of casting something once. If you have to cast something twice that means you are doing less things in a 4 minute spam then you could have otherwise. That is less dps, less buffs, and less everything else. Having extend will provide more dps per 4 minute period then spell focus or spell penetration will almost certainly. The same goes if all the melee have to haste themselves that is less dps for everybody. If your guild can not figure that out I do not know what to tell you.

Heh, are you saying that casters are continously casting during a 4-minute window? That having to stop and cast an extra haste at the 2 minute mark will significantly impact their DPS?

[maddmatt70]

Heh, are you saying that casters are continously casting during a 4-minute window? That having to stop and cast an extra haste at the 2 minute mark will significantly impact their DPS?

Yes, haste, rage and displacement. Casting all three of these spells twice as much will impact the caster's dps assuming they cast it which many casters will not so the melee will end up suffering.