Shuriken Expertise - useless

[Requiro]

* Shuriken Expertise
o Prereqs: Requires one of: Dexterity 13, Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken, or Half-Elf Dilettante: Monk
o Benefit: You are skilled with the use of the shuriken, and have a chance to throw an additional shuriken per throw. The percent chance to throw an additional shuriken is equal to your Dexterity.
o Special: Automatically granted to Drow characters at level one. Monks may select this feat at levels 1, 2, or 6 as a selected martial arts class feat.

This is almost useless feat only for Drows (because is for free). For others is completely useless because:

• Dexterity have no love in DDO with few exception.
• Shuriken in the worst throwing weapon in DDO (1d2 base damage 20/x2 critics)
• You must take another feat (Weapon Proficiency) to use Shuriken (and this new feat)

I know that you implement this feat, because you already work for Ten Thousand Stars Monk ability, but in current implementation is just another useless feat.

Before live please change it to be more useful.
My suggestion for easy improvements:

Suggestion no.1:

• Chance to 2nd throw: 50% + equal to your Dexterity (if sum is beyond 100% you have chance to 3rd attack)
• Additional 5% to Critical Threat Range (Add after any other bonuses)
• Free for Monks on level 4
• Free for Drows on level 1

Suggestion no.2

• Chance to 2nd throw: Triple equal to your Dexterity (chance to 3rd attack if beyond 100%)
• Additional 5% to Critical Threat Range (Add after any other bonuses)
• Free for Monks on level 4
• Free for Drows on level 1

Suggestion no.3

• Chance to 2nd throw: equal to your Dexterity
• Change Critical Threat Range to 19-20/x2 (before any other bonuses)
• Free for Monks on level 4
• Free for Drows on level 1

Suggestion no.4

• Inherent shuriken ability: chance to 2nd strike equal to your Dexterity
• On level 1 Drow and Monk Ninja Spy I: 25% chance to 2nd strike with shuriken (stack with Inherent shuriken ability)
• Shuriken Expertise feat:
  
  • 19-20/x2 Base Critical Threat Range for shuriken
  • +4 to confirm critical hits for shuriken
  • Slicing ability (1d4) on vorpals for shuriken
  • (or something similar)

[andbr22]

ok 1 rarely known fact about trowing weapons (surikens, and trowing hammers, and not sure but maybe trowing axes). They all have critical range 19-20 -> diffrent from Core rules, and their decriptions...

[Spoonman457]

some corrections to your post, all monks get shuriken use for free, (only ranged weapon that does not uncenter them with out a feat) and shurikens are 1d4 19-20x2 weapons same as darts.

This feat hopefully is a precursor for similar feats for all the throwing weapons, in an attempt to make them more useful. But I do agree its a useless feat as it is, as is Zen archery, and to a lesser degree Whirling Steel Strike.

The Spoonman

[elujin]

my drow is happy

and mebey if it was added to the shintao or ninja spy require one of feat lists it would be a better feat to pick then luck of hero's

[IronClan]

It's too bad they spend Dev time on feats that will deliberately trick new players into taking them and making their characters less useful in groups...

Dragons marks are a great example: "I got this sweet face tatoo, instead of power attack bro!"

Make this feat give 25% chance plus Dex score... and it's still weak. Is even a 50% chance of an extra Shuriken even worthy of a feat?

Note to Turtbine:

If flavor has no substance then flavor gets made fun of, ridiculed and left out of groups.

[Ytteri]

A useless feat? I'm shocked!

Although I'm sure all those characters who take Snake Blood will like this one.

[Requiro]

ok 1 rarely known fact about trowing weapons (surikens, and trowing hammers, and not sure but maybe trowing axes). They all have critical range 19-20 -> diffrent from Core rules, and their decriptions...

some corrections to your post, all monks get shuriken use for free, (only ranged weapon that does not uncenter them with out a feat) and shurikens are 1d4 19-20x2 weapons same as darts.

This feat hopefully is a precursor for similar feats for all the throwing weapons, in an attempt to make them more useful. But I do agree its a useless feat as it is, as is Zen archery, and to a lesser degree Whirling Steel Strike.

The Spoonman

No guys.
I just check in game: 1d2 20/x2
And I'm talk about real test when shooting to the monster - not description.
If you see otherwise check if you don't have Improve Critical feat and how much you have STR.

And I know that Monks get Proficiency Shuriken for free But they will have to spend feat slot for this new feat. That’s why only for Drows this is almost useless, not completely useless feat.

my drow is happy

and mebey if it was added to the shintao or ninja spy require one of feat lists it would be a better feat to pick then luck of hero's

Interesting idea, but IMO: Luck of hero's are far much better then this feat.

[wonkey]

Who knows? Shuriken might become the poor man's repeater.

You don't have to take repeater prof. (both can be gotten for free, though, from mechanic or drow).
You don't have to take mechanic for stat bonus, and str bonus is probably better than int bonus anyway.
Speed scales up with dex, so maybe this could work on sneak attackable baddies for those super dex evasion finesse rogues
If you take 6 monk, you get that 50% boost 1/4 of the time (probably more b/c you're not fighting all the time).

If you have, say 30 dex, you get 30% bonus from this feat, plus 30% more from thousand stars (3.75% approximately extra), essentially throwing 46.25% faster total with full str bonus and sneak attacks, if you have em. And you might well have quickdraw anyway, if you're using lots of boosts.

This is PROBABLY still slower than repeaters, but you get the other advantages.

[Requiro]

It's too bad they spend Dev time on feats that will deliberately trick new players into taking them and making their characters less useful in groups...

Unfortunately... More useless feat in game mean more useless and frustrating new player in game (= less money for you Turbine!)

Dragons marks are a great example: "I got this sweet face tatoo, instead of power attack bro!"

Make this feat give 25% chance plus Dex score... and it's still weak. Is even a 50% chance of an extra Shuriken even worthy of a feat?

Yes if you will have chance for 3rd attack, when you get more then 50 dex. And you get wider critical threat range.

Note to Turtbine:

If flavor has no substance then flavor gets made fun of, ridiculed and left out of groups.

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[elujin]

*snip*.



Interesting idea, but IMO: Luck of hero's are far much better then this feat.

i woudn't say far +1 saves is prob better but not as mutch fun

Who knows? Shuriken might become the poor man's repeater.

You don't have to take repeater prof. (both can be gotten for free, though, from mechanic or drow).
You don't have to take mechanic for stat bonus, and str bonus is probably better than int bonus anyway.
Speed scales up with dex, so maybe this could work on sneak attackable baddies for those super dex evasion finesse rogues
If you take 6 monk, you get that 50% boost 1/4 of the time (probably more b/c you're not fighting all the time).

If you have, say 30 dex, you get 30% bonus from this feat, plus 30% more from thousand stars (3.75% approximately extra), essentially throwing 46.25% faster total with full str bonus and sneak attacks, if you have em. And you might well have quickdraw anyway, if you're using lots of boosts.

This is PROBABLY still slower than repeaters, but you get the other advantages.

mebey kinda nice for assassins aspecialy if its free

[Angelus_dead]

If you take 6 monk, you get that 50% boost 1/4 of the time (probably more b/c you're not fighting all the time).

A character that's using ranged attacks won't have the Ki required to activate Ten Thousand Stars.

[LordArkan]

A character that's using ranged attacks won't have the Ki required to activate Ten Thousand Stars.

So they switch back to wraps while its on cooldown, just like an AA with manyshot.

[BurnerD]

Instead of Pew Pew Pew it's Plink Plink Plink......

[LordArkan]

Thwip Thwip Thwip!

[Caseas]

For the person(s) believing Shurikens are 1d4, they're not. My MinII Shuriken is only 1d3, basic stars are 1d2.

Also, the proc to double strike from the new feat is only working out as a % chance of the DEX MODIFER, not the actual DEX stat. So I'm quite frowny face because of it.

[pregnable]

My future Half-Orc, zombie form palemaster, charisma based shuriken thrower thinks this is a WELL feat.

[Infant]

Who knows? Shuriken might become the poor man's repeater.
You don't have to take repeater prof. (both can be gotten for free, though, from mechanic or drow).
You don't have to take mechanic for stat bonus, and str bonus is probably better than int bonus anyway.

... and you don't have paralyzing/banishing/disrupting returning shurikens . Or am I wrong here?

Infant

[Tuney]

But you can find Vorpal Shurrikins!

[Eladrin]

Also, the proc to double strike from the new feat is only working out as a % chance of the DEX MODIFER, not the actual DEX stat. So I'm quite frowny face because of it.

Should be the actual dexterity value.

[Aaxeyu]

Should be the actual dexterity value.

The feat is still rather useless. You should have made it 100% chance. It would still be less DPS than melee, but still viable enough to build a toon around.