Any other Clonks thinking about Stunning Fist?

[grodon9999]

In U9 it works by character level for the DC, not monk level. A Sustainable DC44 Stun looks VERY tempting.

[TFPAQ]

In U9 it works by character level for the DC, not monk level. A Sustainable DC44 Stun looks VERY tempting.

Anyone tried this yet to see if it is working as intended? I'll have to transfer mine over tonight to see.

Could be sweet, given some of the stunning handwraps I've got collecting dust...

[voodoogroves]

Yes and No.

My clonk I'd need to actually do a LR on and not just a feat swap. Well, I could, but if I did I'd want the full TWF chain and I'm not running it right now and I'd need some DEX in addition to feat swaps. I'd been running w/ a staff for centered-use.

I'm definitely considering it, but there's a larger cost for me.

If I could put it in quickly, hellsyeah.

[Phidius]

I've definitely been thinking about it, only my thought goes along this line.

"I wonder if they really think I'd be foolish enough to spend cash in order to take advantage of something that is clearly overpowered and will be nerfed after I include it in my build?"

Thanks, but no thanks. I've learned my lesson.

[Arlathen]

Tempted, but unlikely.

I like my Dual Khopeshes too much. I swap to Handwraps for Skelly bashing and Dead-Sorjek, but thats it really. Alot of my melee DPS comes from big x3 Khopesh crits (I even have IC until I craft my Min2s).

[Octavi]

I have been thinking about it for my deep multiclass clonk. I previously hadn't considered it viable as I have dumped wis and will only have 6 or 7 monk levels (haven't quite capped yet and still cant decide). I'm still not 100% sure on how to calculate stunning fist DCs. If someone could look at my build

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=302688

and give their opinion of whether a decent DC would be achievable (and how) that would help a lot.

[erikbozelie]

10 base + 10 level + 17 wisdom + 10 handwraps = 47 +3 racial? = 50
could be fun

[FuzzyDuck81]

Already got it on my clonk since i had a free feat respec token and nothing better to try it out on.. DC being linked to character level rather than monk level will make it potentially very useful, rather than a "cant hurt to give it a go".

[Octavi]

What DC do you need for it to be viable in epic?

[awolfgang]

yes in U9 stunning fist will be character lvl, but there will be no autocrit when mobs are stunned. So i'm not sure it will be worth the investment in swapping out feats or LR'ing.

[Valiance]

I'll be giving it a try. 18/2 FvS based with hvy casting and stunning fist is my current plan.

[Rawel_San]

I've definitely been thinking about it, only my thought goes along this line.

"I wonder if they really think I'd be foolish enough to spend cash in order to take advantage of something that is clearly overpowered and will be nerfed after I include it in my build?"

Thanks, but no thanks. I've learned my lesson.

This. The chances we will see a nerf to this are staggering in my opinion. It's actually really irritating since I can't
see why they would put it in, in the first place.

[grodon9999]

This. The chances we will see a nerf to this are staggering in my opinion. It's actually really irritating since I can't
see why they would put it in, in the first place.

We'll see something as it is ABSOLUTELY ******** that non-pure monks can get a higher stunning-fist DC than pure monks. I expect it to get nerfed/changed but might as well take advantage of it while you can.

[stoolcannon]

In U9 it works by character level for the DC, not monk level. A Sustainable DC44 Stun looks VERY tempting.

Sounds tempting on my paladin but are 2 monk levels enough?

[grodon9999]

Sounds tempting on my paladin but are 2 monk levels enough?

Probably not, I doubt you'll have a widsom bonus high enough to matter - the change is that CHARACTER level affects DC now and not MONK level. My clonk is an evasion-healer more than a battle-cleric and his levels-ups went into wisdom so he can gets 44ish DC.

[Ravoc-DDO]

We'll see something as it is ABSOLUTELY ******** that non-pure monks can get a higher stunning-fist DC than pure monks. I expect it to get nerfed/changed but might as well take advantage of it while you can.

You mean like fighter archers out-dps'ing ranger archers? Wouldn't be so sure just yet...

[Chai]

Sounds tempting on my paladin but are 2 monk levels enough?

One monk level is enough - just have to take the feat as a monk feat.

I agree with many that its rediculous that a monk splash can get a better stunning fist DC than pure monks can now, especially because kensai can get an equally good stunning blow DC as well.

I think the 8 monk 12 fighter build is going to be alot more popular. Increased KI generation with power surge, 2 stun abilities, both boosted by Kensai tiers and fighter strategy / racial tactics.

[Bluenoser]

This. The chances we will see a nerf to this are staggering in my opinion. It's actually really irritating since I can't see why they would put it in, in the first place.

Agreed. Even odder is that (in case you haven't been following some of the other clonk and solar phoenix threads) they're doing exactly the opposite for the light monk healing finisher, making it tied to monk level (as in description) rather than character level (as it's actually worked through at least 4 updates). I consider being able to stun an enemy considerably more powerful than a multiclass-based healing amp that costs you significantly on DPS - a stunned mob does no damage, so who cares about healing? - so I'd put my money on the nerf bat hitting this.

Oh, and if you're a Radiant Servant, watch out, you're probably next - your radiant burst heal is also calculated on character level rather than 'caster' level, contrary to description...

[Can you tell I'm p.o.'d they're killing my pallymonk solar phoenix? :-( ]

[QuantumFX]

Any other Clonks thinking about Stunning Fist?

Are you kidding me? I’m considering a +3 Lesser heart on my pure cleric. (While I have some major issues about how U9 negatively affects my monk’s gameplay I *love* the fact that we now have the option of making a “Sacred Fist” build in DDO.)

We'll see something as it is ABSOLUTELY ******** that non-pure monks can get a higher stunning-fist DC than pure monks. I expect it to get nerfed/changed but might as well take advantage of it while you can.

I’m putting my money on “This puts a spotlight in the fact that monks are a DC dependant class and enhancements are added/changed to boost Monk DCs. And in the meantime Eladrin finally fires up Ron’s Character Generator, tries to make a human shintao monk and realizes ‘Woah... the players *are* right! We totally forgot to give them meaningful level 1 enhancements.’”

[Ravoc-DDO]

Agreed. Even odder is that (in case you haven't been following some of the other clonk and solar phoenix threads) they're doing exactly the opposite for the light monk healing finisher, making it tied to monk level (as in description) rather than character level (as it's actually worked through at least 4 updates). I consider being able to stun an enemy considerably more powerful than a multiclass-based healing amp that costs you significantly on DPS - a stunned mob does no damage, so who cares about healing? - so I'd put my money on the nerf bat hitting this.

Oh, and if you're a Radiant Servant, watch out, you're probably next - your radiant burst heal is also calculated on character level rather than 'caster' level, contrary to description...

[Can you tell I'm p.o.'d they're killing my pallymonk solar phoenix? :-( ]

It's far from death for phoenix builds. Just work in your cure spells more, which got cheaper in U9. It actually simplifies some gameplay, and lets you use khopeshes full time if the other light finishers are unneeded.