TR'ed Firghter (Now needs help with making choice for 2nd Life)

[surjabd]

I have tred with Fighter 18/rogue2 - Killemalll (Orien)
Now Which path Do i choose
Kensai II / Tempest I / Rogue 2 or Kensai III / Rogue 2

I have posted 2 builds.
(Some enhancement are taken in their intended lvl. Was too tired and in game i can swap enhancement)

Build 1:

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Killemall  V2
Level 20 Chaotic Good Human Male
(12 Fighter \ 2 Rogue \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 392
Spell Points: 25 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 18
Reflex: 17
Will: 6

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             17                 23                   27
Dexterity            15                 18                   20
Constitution         17                 19                   20
Intelligence          8                 10                   10
Wisdom                8                 10                   10
Charisma              8                 10                   10

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)          (Level 20)
Balance               6                 23                   23
Bluff                -1                  0                    2
Concentration         3                  5                    7
Diplomacy            -1                  0                    2
Disable Device        0                  1                    1
Haggle                3                  5                    5
Heal                 -1                  0                    0
Hide                  6                  9                    9
Intimidate            0                  1                    5
Jump                  7                 31                   31
Listen                0                  1                    1
Move Silently         6                  9                    9
Open Lock             3                  6                    6
Perform              n/a                n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                  1                    1
Search               -1                  0                    0
Spot                  0                  7                    7
Swim                  3                  8                    8
Tumble                5                 21                   21
Use Magic Device      2                  6                    6

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Hide (+4)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Repair (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Human Bonus) Mobility
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding


Level 2 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I


Level 3 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Feat: (Automatic) Bow Strength
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Wild Empathy


Level 4 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 5 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1.5)
Feat: (Automatic) Diehard


Level 6 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
Spell (1): Camouflage
Spell (1): Jump
Spell (1): Longstrider
Spell (1): Merfolk's Blessing
Spell (1): Ram's Might
Spell (1): Resist Energy
Spell (1): Summon Nature's Ally I
Spell (1): Tumble


Level 7 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Chaotic Outsider


Level 8 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Manyshot


Level 9 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency


Level 10 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I


Level 11 (Fighter)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II


Level 13 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)


Level 14 (Fighter)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II


Level 15 (Fighter)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Student of the Sword
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Strength I


Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 17 (Fighter)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Enhancement: Fighter Khopesh Specialization I


Level 18 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Weapon Defense


Level 19 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy IV
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness IV

Build 2:

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Killemalll 
Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(18 Fighter \ 2 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 374
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 15
Will: 7

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             17                 24                   28
Dexterity            17                 19                   20
Constitution         15                 17                   18
Intelligence          8                 10                   10
Wisdom                8                 10                   10
Charisma              8                 10                   10

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)          (Level 20)
Balance               7                 19                   19
Bluff                -1                  0                    3
Concentration         2                  4                    7
Diplomacy            -1                  0                    3
Disable Device        3                  5                    5
Haggle                3                  5                    5
Heal                  0                  1                    1
Hide                  3                  5                    5
Intimidate            0                  1                    6
Jump                  7                 32                   32
Listen                0                  1                    1
Move Silently         3                  5                    5
Open Lock             4                  8                    8
Perform              n/a                n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                  1                    1
Search                0                  1                    1
Spot                  0                  1                    1
Swim                  3                  9                    9
Tumble                7                 16.5                 16.5
Use Magic Device      3                  5                    5

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Repair (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding


Level 2 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I


Level 3 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Student of the Sword
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I


Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I


Level 5 (Fighter)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)


Level 6 (Fighter)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 7 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I


Level 9 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III


Level 10 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Khopesh Specialization I


Level 11 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Luck of Heroes
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy IV


Level 13 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV


Level 14 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II


Level 15 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Defense
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Strength I


Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Stunning Blow


Level 17 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III


Level 18 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Superior Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Blocking
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III


Level 19 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Enhancement: Fighter Khopesh Specialization II


Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Dodge
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery III
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei III
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) I
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) II
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Trip) I

Help me choose which build will have better dps and ability to survive.
Feel free to drop comments or make suggestions.

[surjabd]

Still No advices. !!!!!

[Rusty_Can]

OK, let's try ....

It's your final build or are you planning to TR again?

Some comments:
- you are taking 2 rogue levels: you should really max out UMD skill, on both builds;
- 12 fighter - 6 ranger - 2 rogue: skill-wise, ranger and rogue blend quite well; you should be able to achieve full trap capability (i.e. maxed Search and Disable Device skills);
- feat-wise, I guess you are going for DPS: you will want Power Attack; see below for suggestions on what to drop;
- some non-optimal choices: Two Weapon Defense (both builds), Luck of Heroes (18/2) and Dodge (18/2);
- as you pointed out, 12 fighter - 6 rangers - 2 rogue is more survivable and versatile.

[Alex301]

The answer is it depends. I can't run the numbers atm but my in terms of dps i would think their relative dps would depend on whether your fighting your favoured enemy, getting SA damage and ofc gear and buffs. In general i would say the monster variant would higher dps if your fighting your favoured enemy, but the 18/2 split may have slightly better all round dps.

Not sure why you haven't maxed UMD on either build though. 5 and 6 points in umd isn't going to get you very far. The fighter past life feat seems kind of weak as does greater weapon focus on the monster variant, two weapon defence, luck of the heros, OTWF and dodge on the 18/2.

I don't think i saw PA either; obviously this is a must if you want to do damage. Have you considered going half orc too for more dps?

In terms of survivability the monster build is probably better in most circumstances, although i would have thought the 18/2 should have more hp with more fighter/ less ranger levels and more room for toughness feats and possibly enhancements. The added abilities that come with the monster build also make it more versatile imo as well.