Free respec for sorcs bards and fvs... where is it.

[QuantumFX]

Don’t forget the monks! We all need to build around Sun Stance now so we can use “Strategy” and “Play as badly as he does.”.

[MrkGrismer]

I'm hoping it's for Live Servers too. It would be a bit poor form to release so many changes to spells and enhancements without giving the affected classes some way of adapting easily to those changes.

Only wizards and clerics really come out unscathed due to the ease with which they can swap spells.

As far as I know they have never done so in the past tho, and there are plenty of changes in the past that have made builds 'no quite so much viable anymore'.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

As far as I know they have never done so in the past tho, and there are plenty of changes in the past that have made builds 'no quite so much viable anymore'.

They have in fact given respecs for free before. When they changed how rogue feats were assigned rogues were given a number of free feat exchanges equal to the number of selectable rogue feats they had received up until that point.

I'm pretty sure they did it for someone else too but I can't remember who...

[Coldin]

As far as I know they have never done so in the past tho, and there are plenty of changes in the past that have made builds 'no quite so much viable anymore'.

They gave out free feat respecs in the past, though I only remember rogues receiving them. This was mostly when they changed how Special Abilities worked and had added a few new ones.

Many changes never make a character completely nonviable. That's usually just player perception and unwillingness to adapt. These spell changes a bit different because they take many days to swap more than one and Savant PREs can severely weaken what was once one-half of a sorcerers spell list.

[Draccus]

Why exactly?

The Bluff skill is for reducing Hate.

Incorrect. The Diplomacy skill is for reducing hate.

The bluff skill is for getting sneak attacks on a monster that is aggressive towards you. It reduces hate of your next few attacks, as well, but its main advantage is allowing 4 seconds of sneak attacks when you have aggro.

[Xenus_Paradox]

The only class which NEEDS a free respec is rogues. Spells and enhancements can be changed in-game (albeit slowly for some classes).

The changes to the bluff skill will prompt many rogues to change skills and there is currently no way in the game to change skills without a Reincarnation.

Paladins with Intimidate are playing the world's saddest song on the world's smallest violins for Rogues right now. When I brought up the idea of getting the proper amount of ranks on existing Paladins with Intimidate ranks, the response from the other players was "suck it up and buy a LH or live with having half your points in Intimidate only count for half". Turbine never fixed it AFAIK.

[orakio]

Some of us with clerics are going to want a free feat respec as well. Goodbye extend...which I've had on Saaluta since the beginning

Saal

As somebody else pointed out, the respec for FVS/Sorc/Bard isn't for changing feats or skills it is for spells which are extremely costly and time consuming to replace (3 day wait between each spell changed).

Clerics have access to all of their spells and can swap them freely, and wizards can inscribe new spells at any time hence no repsec required.

People using intimidate/bluff certainly have a reason to be annoyed though since skills can only be reset through reincarnation.

[MrkGrismer]

They have in fact given respecs for free before. When they changed how rogue feats were assigned rogues were given a number of free feat exchanges equal to the number of selectable rogue feats they had received up until that point.

I'm pretty sure they did it for someone else too but I can't remember who...

Well that's why I said 'as far as I know' good to know that they do it sometimes.

So I guess this means it will possibly make it to live. But a confirmation would be nice

[Draccus]

Paladins with Intimidate are playing the world's saddest song on the world's smallest violins for Rogues right now. When I brought up the idea of getting the proper amount of ranks on existing Paladins with Intimidate ranks, the response from the other players was "suck it up and buy a LH or live with having half your points in Intimidate only count for half". Turbine never fixed it AFAIK.

Ah, well that situation CERTAINLY removes any justification for a respec for rogues. I mean, if it was done improperly once, it can never, ever be done properly again. Improvement is not an option!

:rolleyes

[SableShadow]

I'm Pretty Sure They Did It For Someone Else Too But I Can't Remember Who...

Warforged

Also, iirc, we all got a freebie when they first unveiled feat respec.

It reduces hate of your next few attacks,

Is that a drop on the aggro list, or is that just a negative to hate *generation* during the interval?

[Irinis]

Yes, and enhancements are cheap to reset, and you can do them all in one day. Wizards don't even have to spend money or wait any amount of time to swap in new spells, assuming they've been inscribing them.

So basically, what are you complaining about?

Are the new spells available for sale from vendors on Lam? Or will Wizards be forced to TR to get them? (Can't get them on LR anyway, it keeps the same spells afaik.)

[Draccus]

Is that a drop on the aggro list, or is that just a negative to hate *generation* during the interval?

The way I read it, Diplomacy drops you down the aggro list. Bluff reduces the aggro you generate during the interval.

I think the new Diplo, if it works, is going to be great fun...especially in ToD.

When the main tank on either Suulo or Horoth dies, I'm often his next target. I last about 4 hits. But not any more.

*ding* Main Tank has died.
Horoth hits you for 130 Damage
Dresek says "Geesh, Horoth, lay off! I'm just a gimpy rogue. It's that bard over there who's doing all the damage!"
Diplomacy: Success!
Horoth hits bard for 130 damage.

[SableShadow]

The way I read it, Diplomacy drops you down the aggro list. Bluff reduces the aggro you generate during the interval.

Ah, gotcha...thanks!

[Farayon]

The spell swap potion is really awesome and undeniably proves that Turbine actually do listen to and care for players sometimes. Thanks very much for that.

Now if everyone with extend in their feat list could get a free feat respec token please ...

[phalaeo]

Some of us with clerics are going to want a free feat respec as well. Goodbye extend...which I've had on Saaluta since the beginning

Saal

This.