The Knight Light v2.5 Feedback?

[Ilklr]

So, this is my 15Pal/3Mnk/2Rgr flavor build. I already have a twf KotC Pally. What I wanted was something that felt like paladin, but played differently. I know this isn't an optimal build, but I think it should be a blast to play, and still put out decent dps, with good situational burst potential vs. plants.

Why this split?
The 2 ranger is for the Favored Enemy: Plant and twf feat. 3 Monk is the heart of this build. Path of Light, WSS, evasion, 2 feats, stance, etc. gives a different take on KotC, without taking away the paladin feel. Paladin 15 gets Smite 4/rest, DM III, the second 4th level spell, and everything that comes before it

The Knight Light (See what I did there? ;P)
Level 20 Lawful Good Half Elf
16 Paladin / 3 Monk / 2 Ranger

Ability Scores
Strength: 36 = 15 + 5 level + 1 human + 2 tome + 6 item + 3 exc + 2 rage + 2 ship
Dexterity: 25 = 15 + 2 tome + 6 item +2 stance + 2 ship
Constitution: 26 = 14 + 2 tome + 6 item + 2 rage + 2 ship - 2 stance +2 exc
Intelligence: 10 = 8 base + 2 tome
Wisdom: 10 = 8 + 2 tome
Charisma: 30 = 16 + 2 tome + 6 item + 2 exc + 1 human + 3 Paladin

HP
20 HD
10 Draconic
160 Paladin
24 Monk
16 Ranger
160 Con
22 Toughness
50 Enhancement
20 Minos
30 GFL
45 Shroud
557

Saves
9 / 5 / 5 Paladin
3 / 0 / 0 Ranger
3 / 3 / 3 Monk
8 / 7 / 10 Ability
10 / 10 / 10 Paladin
4 / 4 / 4 Morale
2 / 2 / 2 Luck
0 / 1 / 0 Haste
5 / 5 / 5 Resistance
1 / 1 / 1 Alchemical
-1 / 0 / 0 Way of Ki
44 / 38 / 40

Level Progression
1 Rgr: Weapon Focus, Rogue Dil, Favored Enemy: Plant
2 Mnk: Whirling Steel Strike
3 Rgr: Force of Personality
4-8 Pal: Toughness
9-10 Monk: Improved TWF, Power Attack
11-20 Monk: Improved Critical, Greater TWF, Extend Spell

Skills
These aren't so important. I maxed UMD/Concentration. Threw in a bit of haggle, jump, tumble, balance.

Enhancements

Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I 
Enhancement: Improved Rogue Dilettante I 
Enhancement: Improved Rogue Dilettante II 
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I 
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Charisma I 
Enhancement: Human Versatility I 
Enhancement: Human Versatility II 
Enhancement: Way of the Elegant Crane I 
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I 
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good II 
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I 
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice II 
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I 
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite II 
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite III 
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I 
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II 
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I 
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II 
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil III 
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil IV 
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice I 
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice II 
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I 
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II 
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I 
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I 
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar II 
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I 
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II 
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma III 
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I 
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II 
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness III 
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I 
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might II 
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might III 
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning I 
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning II

Questions and constructive criticism, as always, are welcome and appreciated.

P.S. The favored enemy is a joke. Of course it will be Evil Outsider.

[rodallec]

hell yeah rogue dilly FTW!

[Cardtrick]

Favored Enemy: Plant

I laughed. You should have called this the Weed Whacker.

Did you try playing with the enhancements to include healing amp at all? This build is so similar to a Solar Phoenix build that it seems like you should be able to get some significant amp going, to take better advantage of your fists of light and lay on hands.

[Ilklr]

I laughed. You should have called this the Weed Whacker.

Did you try playing with the enhancements to include healing amp at all? This build is so similar to a Solar Phoenix build that it seems like you should be able to get some significant amp going, to take better advantage of your fists of light and lay on hands.

Heh, I was trying to decide what the worst FE would be. There are several terrible ones, but I figure plant is the winner. I thought it would be fun to mess with people a bit. KotC being anit-evil outsider is probably a dead giveaway to astute readers though.

I did think about healing amp. I was trying to maximize dps (within the bounds of the build), and felt like enhancements were too tight to fit it in. Looking at it again though, i'm pretty sure I could easily swap out something like Extra Smite IV and the extra turns. I'll have to play with it a bit and see what kind of balance I want.

[Ilklr]

No other comments?

[Ilklr]

As it turns out, I had an outdated version of the planner. I was forced to remake the build to fix enhancements. I also decided to snag just a little bit of healing amp. So, without further ado, I present The Knight Light v2.65:

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Level 20 Lawful Good Half-Elf Male
(15 Paladin \ 3 Monk \ 2 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 342
Spell Points: 200 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 25
Reflex: 21
Will: 21

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             15                    23
Dexterity            15                    17
Constitution         14                    16
Intelligence          8                    10
Wisdom                8                    10
Charisma             16                    22

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               4                     8
Bluff                 3                     6
Concentration         6                    26
Diplomacy             3                     7
Disable Device       n/a                    n/a
Haggle                5                     8
Heal                 -1                     0
Hide                  2                     3
Intimidate            3                     6
Jump                  4                     9
Listen               -1                     0
Move Silently         2                     3
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                     0
Search               -1                     0
Spot                 -1                     0
Swim                  2                     6
Tumble                3                     4
Use Magic Device      5                    17

Level 1 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+2)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Plant
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Rogue
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 2 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Whirling Steel Strike


Level 3 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality


Level 4 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 5 (Paladin)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 6 (Paladin)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I


Level 7 (Paladin)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Improved Rogue Dilettante I
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning I


Level 8 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I


Level 9 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack
Enhancement: Way of the Elegant Crane I


Level 10 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I


Level 11 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II


Level 12 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil III
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness III


Level 13 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Charisma I
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar II


Level 14 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II


Level 15 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma III


Level 16 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might II


Level 17 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Improved Rogue Dilettante II
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice II


Level 18 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice II
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite II


Level 19 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil IV


Level 20 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might III
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning II

[Ilklr]

So, in lack of much comment, I went ahead and rolled this guy yesterday. He's currently level 7 and I love it. He has a little trouble hitting high-AC targets (like the wraiths in Chamber of Insanity, at over 33 AC), but that's to be expected. Even the wraiths wouldn't be that bad with GT. All I have atm are a flaming burst longsword, a crippling of pg longsword, and frost wraps (too lazy to pull wraps from an alt).

Other than ^ he is performing quite well. I'm amazed at how far he can stretch his (rather short) red bar. I only have about 110 hp atm, but even with only 21 AC he seems to not take much damage. His LoH is currently at about 85.

I really enjoy the flavor of this build so far. It's mostly monk atm, since he just got his level 1 pally spells. Once I hit 8 tonight, he'll have divine sac and divine might, which will help develop the paladin side. I'll have to see how he performs at level 10, once he has his PoL.