Crafting info already gotten so far

[dkyle]

Well, there was a note about metal type being inherent to the item. If you wanted a +5 Holy Burst Silver whatever of GEOB, you'd need a base silver weapon that you strip down, a +5 from a weapon, a Holy Burst from a weapon and a GEOB from a weapon.

Which leads me to believe that the crafting will have at least one huge balance problem.

If the difference is cost between a +5 Holy Burst Khopesh of GEOB and a +5 Holy Burst Silver Khopesh of GEOB is simply finding any old Silver Khopesh, we've got a problem. That's a negligible cost compared to the incredible amount of value Silver adds in the current meta-game.

[sephiroth1084]

Which leads me to believe that the crafting will have at least one huge balance problem.

If the difference is cost between a +5 Holy Burst Khopesh of GEOB and a +5 Holy Burst Silver Khopesh of GEOB is simply finding any old Silver Khopesh, we've got a problem. That's a negligible cost compared to the incredible amount of value Silver adds in the current meta-game.

Makes me kind of wish they had left Transmuting alone and just implemented this at the time. Then a Min II (or other transmuter) would have been a perfect generalist weapon, while better DPS weapons could be crafted for individual situations.

[Neouni]

Makes me kind of wish they had left Transmuting alone and just implemented this at the time. Then a Min II (or other transmuter) would have been a perfect generalist weapon, while better DPS weapons could be crafted for individual situations.

Since they are bringing out:
Bow of Sinew- +5 Longbow: (crit range 19-20) Ranged Alacarty 10%, Stealth Strike, Seeker +8, Aligned, Overfocus [ML:14, BtA]

There is offcourse a chance Aligned will be available as a craftable shard.
edit: Since it will contain all elements I would place it under Divine, since all the others are already in it's other sub-types.

Aligned: This weapon transmutes into a form that is able to bypass any alignment-based Damage Reduction. (Chaotic, Good, Evil, Lawful)

[sephiroth1084]

Since they are bringing out:
Bow of Sinew- +5 Longbow: (crit range 19-20) Ranged Alacarty 10%, Stealth Strike, Seeker +8, Aligned, Overfocus [ML:14, BtA]

There is offcourse a chance Aligned will be available as a craftable shard.
edit: Since it will contain all elements I would place it under Divine, since all the others are already in it's other sub-types.

Aligned: This weapon transmutes into a form that is able to bypass any alignment-based Damage Reduction. (Chaotic, Good, Evil, Lawful)

Metalline is all metals.
Aligned is all alignments.
Transmuting was all metals, all alignments and all damage types (bludgeoning, slashing and piercing) and was the only way for an archer to bypass DR/slashing and DR/bludgeoning.

[donfilibuster]

If the difference is cost between a +5 Holy Burst Khopesh of GEOB and a +5 Holy Burst Silver Khopesh of GEOB is simply finding any old Silver Khopesh, we've got a problem. That's a negligible cost compared to the incredible amount of value Silver adds in the current meta-game.

Meta-game is meta-value!
Boss beaters aren't rare because they are valuable, are valuable because they are rare.
We no longer rely on random loot. Isn't the whole point of crafting to let people have the items they don't yet own?

[dkyle]

If the wiki is to be believed there is not much you have to worry about. There are NO bursts listed, no greater banes, no evil outsider, and no pure good. So nobody is going to be able to craft anything remotely close to what you listed.

The Wiki is almost certainly incomplete. It would be absurd to allow crafting of only Wisdom and Strength items, for example.

I do wonder whether Greater Banes will make it in.

Meta-game is meta-value!
Boss beaters aren't rare because they are valuable, are valuable because they are rare.
We no longer rely on random loot. Isn't the whole point of crafting to let people have the items they don't yet own?

They are valuable because they are rare and there is a high demand for them, because of how powerful they are.

If the only difference in cost between a good DPS weapon for trash, and the best weapon in the game, is a regular Silver Khopesh, then the whole top-end of the economy gets lobbed off.

Crafting should allow for people to make what they want, but not without a reasonable amount of effort for the power of the item. If Holy Silver GEOB becomes easy to craft, the devs have to put massive power creep in place to produce new weapons worth Raiding for.

[Mystera]

Which leads me to believe that the crafting will have at least one huge balance problem.

If the difference is cost between a +5 Holy Burst Khopesh of GEOB and a +5 Holy Burst Silver Khopesh of GEOB is simply finding any old Silver Khopesh, we've got a problem. That's a negligible cost compared to the incredible amount of value Silver adds in the current meta-game.

If the wiki is to be believed there is not much you have to worry about. There are NO bursts listed, no greater banes, no evil outsider, and no pure good. So nobody is going to be able to craft anything remotely close to what you listed.

After reading the wiki I'm pretty sure we won't be able to craft anything valuable at all. Needless to say I'm disappointed as the way this was original billed was that you would be able to take your EXISTING weapons and change ONE thing on it, whether it was the enhancement, prefix, or suffix. Heck, I can't even upgrade the weapons I currently own since the way its implemented I'm required to start with a blank and I can't add what I already have (greater banes, bursts, pure good, bleeding, paralyzing, vorpal, regular and improved cursespewing / destruction / shattermantle, major lores, superior clickies, etc.).

[Tumarek]

Yeah looking at it weapons wont be too exiting. Would have loved to be able to make weapons like Flametouched Vorpal of Desception, but it seems like ill only be able to make thundering flametouched of deception :|

Accessories do look nice though: striding 20 of jumping 15, wisom +6 of concentration 15, anything with Intimidation 15.... lots of very good and unique stuff here.

Shields: well either we can craft our shields with guards or (more likely seeing how shields have been treated so far) we will get a shield with Freezing and Flaming on shieldbash
If it actually worls as a guard that would be really really really really really really really really really really really really nice!
Same for armor.

Also is something like sneak attack bound to a weapon? (*chokes Sulu with Tharnes Googles*).

Well all in all i think there are a few very nice options and i do hope vorpal and such will be added.

P.S.: Just dreaming here but if i can make sneak attack googles of deception, I'll be a happy rogue!

[Wizzly_Bear]

Quiver - where? How?

[Drakos]

If the wiki is to be believed there is not much you have to worry about. There are NO bursts listed, no greater banes, no evil outsider, and no pure good. So nobody is going to be able to craft anything remotely close to what you listed.

After reading the wiki I'm pretty sure we won't be able to craft anything valuable at all. Needless to say I'm disappointed as the way this was original billed was that you would be able to take your EXISTING weapons and change ONE thing on it, whether it was the enhancement, prefix, or suffix. Heck, I can't even upgrade the weapons I currently own since the way its implemented I'm required to start with a blank and I can't add what I already have (greater banes, bursts, pure good, bleeding, paralyzing, vorpal, regular and improved cursespewing / destruction / shattermantle, major lores, superior clickies, etc.).

Firstly, the Wiki is incomplete, the person only posted what they have found so far. Secondly, the Devs have already stated that this is just the initial release of the crafting and that they hope to release more in future updates (all updates not just the odd numbered ones). So give it a little time to be fleshed out, we havent't even seen the system on Lamannia yet.