Crafting info already gotten so far

[Ziindarax]

Anyone know yet if effects can stack with or replace preexisting enchantments on another item? Are + effects (I.E. +1 - +5) in a separate category from prefix (force burst for example) and suffix (bane effects) enchantments?

Will it be possible to put seeker 10 on an item if deconstructed from a weapon that has seeker 10 on it?

[Calebro]

1 Anyone know yet if effects can stack with or replace preexisting enchantments on another item? 2 Are + effects (I.E. +1 - +5) in a separate category from prefix (force burst for example) and suffix (bane effects) enchantments?

3 Will it be possible to put seeker 10 on an item if deconstructed from a weapon that has seeker 10 on it?

As it appears:
1. No.
2. Yes.
3. Yes.

Deconstructing an item down to a blank to craft on removes all three, +, prefix, suffix. If you deconstruct a +5 holy burst silver rapier of pure good, you get a plain silver rapier to craft upon. You then have to add enhancement bonus, prefix, and suffix, all separately.

[Gulnar13]

Metalline most likely, silver probably not. Only silver (threaded) wraps I know are a named end-reward item, and I while I hope otherwise, I don't think we're going to be able to melt named items.

Silver threaded handwraps and cold iron thread (or cold iron studden?) handwraps are reported to drop in the devil assault, at normal or hard difficulty. But with the current droprate, i think that those will become the new holy graal of the monks - like right now is the vicious/GEOB and the metalline/GEOB handwrap. With similar - if not higher - prices.
Also, my advice for every monk out of there - PLUNDER the ah of silver threaded handwraps and of gratclubs/other silly weapons with G-banes or metallines.

[Ziindarax]

What items can seeker effects be put on? Does anyone know if it can be put on accessories or is it trinkets and weapons only?

[Saravis]

What items can seeker effects be put on? Does anyone know if it can be put on accessories or is it trinkets and weapons only?

Weapons only

[Ziindarax]

Weapons only

Dang! There goes my hopes of making seeker bracers!

[kyleann]

I was excited when I first heard this but now I am... Concerned.

This could spell a goodbye wave for poor old Bekki...
I am an extremely casual player who suffers from severe wife aggro.

What I see when I read this is...
"Grind, grind, grind, grind... to... Craft, craft, craft, craft...."

I am lucky if I get online once a week... Twice if I am really lucky...

How in the blazes is someone like ME supposed to
Compete with stuff like this! There's no way...

I can see the LFM's for now, 'Must have portal beaters at +5...'

"Sorry, I only have the +2 and +3 and friend graciously passed down to me...
Don't have the time to grind for them or the plat to buy them...

*Poof*
(Booted from shroud run...)

Make no mistake I love DDO and I will miss my friends but sadly
If there are no options in this for the casual player... For me...
This could sadly mean... Goodbye...

/sad...

I've got a novel idea. Leave the wife!

It does seem like a grind, but like others have said the items aren't likely to completely replace raid loot. Plus, having good equipment is important but being a skilled player is far more important in most cases. If you have mediocre to semi-good equipment but know how to play you're a far better asset than those "I'm SOOOO UBERLEET" players that die within seconds in Shroud Pt. 4 while dual-wielding GS.

Choose not to craft, it's your choice to do so. I can guarantee that crafting wont be used by everyone. Those who DO use it extensively should be able to craft a few items FOR you in trade for any Large Devil Scales or whatever else you collect along the way in your travels.

I wouldn't quit because of crafting, it's just one part of the game. The rest of the game keeps you entertained, so stick to that stuff!

[Coldin]

There is a difference between "challenging" and "punitive". Although each has the result of making a task harder, the former evokes the desire to try again while the latter evokes the desire to try a different game, preferably designed by a different person. Unfortunately, it is much easier to make something punitive than challenging, and there will always be sycophants/masochists who insist that they are identical, not that I'm saying you fall into that camp.

To be clear, if crafting becomes prohibitively time-consuming or difficult without grinding out inferior content (Threnal, etc.), then the system will be punitive, not challenging, and therefore a waste of the developers' time. If, as many have suggested, the ingredients garnered by grinding out inferior content will only result in peculiarities and flair, then the punishment will be truly voluntary.

You do realize that almost all crafting systems, in all MMOs, are usually pretty time consuming, and require creating many weaker items to craft the higher items.

As it stands right now though, you actually get the most crafting materials from deconstructing high level items. As such, it should be easier for a high level character to have plenty of materials to level up quickly. The only hitch comes from recipes that require certain collectibles....but they really don't require many of them.

I have a few complaints, but I'm holding off on them till I can play with the system a bit more.

[SisAmethyst]

Crafting begins with decrafting and for that one first need ingredients that can be bought at the vendor:


Decrafting an item like


can either strip of properties like the +1 or the Metalline which result in ingredients for one of the 3 different crafting branches: Arcane, Divine or Elemental. You can always only strip of one of those properties, the rest will be destroyed together with the item.

A fourth possibility is to strip it down to its base (disjunction), leaving only guild slots and the base material. As Metalline is a property it will get stripped of and become:



A weapon made out of Silver would keep this base material. Right now deconstruction will not provide any XP and even more dangerous, it will even work on locked items (Bug reported). You can't deconstruct named items or items bought by the vendor. After a short while you will end up with a whole bunch of different crafting ingredients:



Next step is to combine the ingredients from a deconstruction into crafting shards. That as well mean, a weapon property can't be translated 1:1 onto an other weapon!



Its like:

looted item --(deconstruct)--> ingredient / base item
multiple ingredients --(craft)--> shard
shard + base item --(craft)--> item + property

This way you then can finally combine the shards to get a crafted item like:


in a very short time with little effort, but indeed by burning down several items which you could have sold instead. Depending on the resources that you have for your disposal, its maybe just a matter of some hours. The item above doesn't require much of crafting skill/level as you can see below:



right now the combination of shard and item is only a level 1 crafting step, so the most important part is the crafting of the shard. Judging from the recipe there should be a shard for the property 'Metalline' but right now we can't craft this shard. An other remark is that you can't replace a property by just adding a new shard to the item. You would first need to cleanse (disjunction) the item which would remove all previous applied properties!

[Ganak]

For our folks who are not pleased at having to run some of the quest chains like Threnal or Restless Isles...


Be happy they aren't putting ingredients in Three Barrell Cove




J/k TBC coolest outdoor area, but wish xp was better for many of the quests out there.

[Taryana]

Those who DO use it extensively should be able to craft a few items FOR you in trade for any Large Devil Scales or whatever else you collect along the way in your travels.

Crafted stuff will be transferable to other players (trade window, mail, AH)?

[Jaid314]

Crafted stuff will be transferable to other players (trade window, mail, AH)?

the explanation you get when you talk to the crafting ingredients NPC is that there are harder recipes that are unbound. the workstations for those appear to not be finished yet.

[EatSmart]

It's worth nothing that while metalline was listed in the bound items crafting machine, the bound shard crafting machine had no option to create the shard.

I didnt see vorpal either.

[Kinerd]

You do realize that almost all crafting systems, in all MMOs, are usually pretty time consuming, and require creating many weaker items to craft the higher items.

As it stands right now though, you actually get the most crafting materials from deconstructing high level items. As such, it should be easier for a high level character to have plenty of materials to level up quickly. The only hitch comes from recipes that require certain collectibles....but they really don't require many of them.

I have a few complaints, but I'm holding off on them till I can play with the system a bit more.

I read this a couple times and I'm still not sure which part was intended as a response to my post.

[azrael4h]

I've got a novel idea. Leave the wife!

It's cheaper to keep her
It's cheaper to keep her
You see when you get looking that judge in the face
You're gonna want to cuss, the whole human race
It's cheaper to keep her
Costs too much to leave

You got the child support
You got the insurance, Alimony, Mortgage one, mortgage two
It's cheaper to keep her
It's cheaper to keep her
It's cheaper
To keep her!

[Wurmwood]

Not bad for a lowbie wf

[Alabore]

You can't deconstruct named items or items bought by the vendor.

Some Store and vendor bought items could be deconstructed.
I hope they keep them that way.

[simsiim]

Some Store and vendor bought items could be deconstructed.
I hope they keep them that way.

the only ones I found that would not deconstruct from the DDO store was the +Enchantment ones, the ones that were like silver, or had like Acid, they could be deconstructed

So you can get the ones that have elements from store, I don't know any NPC that sells those.
And brokers , well . . they sell what you pick up from the adventures anyways, so for sure you could buy from the Broker/Pawn shop

I read in chat someone said ammo can not, but if it was an "Returning" Ammo type those can be, I had not tried any returning ammo yet, maybe next time I log in game I'll see

[Alabore]

the only ones I found that would not deconstruct from the DDO store was the +Enchantment ones, the ones that were like silver, or had like Acid, they could be deconstructed

Much to my dismay.
I actually like how +4 Full Plate looks; would be a perfect foundation for some crafting.

So you can get the ones that have elements from store, I don't know any NPC that sells those.

Not elemental, but Cold Iron.
The anointed weapons for Paladin Holy Sword can be torn down to produce a craftable Cold Iron blank.

I hope they'll consider keeping it that way.
More power to players if they are willing to spend TP to buy a suitable silver/cold iron blank.

I read in chat someone said ammo can not, but if it was an "Returning" Ammo type those can be, I had not tried any returning ammo yet, maybe next time I log in game I'll see

Didn't manage to either.
I managed to craft spearbane on a weapon - but failed to apply blueshine.
Shard simply disappeared.

[binnsr]

I read in chat someone said ammo can not, but if it was an "Returning" Ammo type those can be, I had not tried any returning ammo yet, maybe next time I log in game I'll see

When I put a returning hammer in the deconstructor, it goes in, but no recipes appear. Haven't tried anything else yet.