Haste, Rage, Displacement, etc. should all be doubled duration

[Niktoo]

DDO is simply unplayable without haste. Yes, you can still kill things, but it will suck the life out of you.

I can see some of my toons getting a second GS haste cllicky

[Maegin]

Extend is the new Eschew.

^ this.

[ColdNapalm]

What's the problem? Extend is a tough choice, now...

Nothing inherently wrong with tough choices in a MMO, right?

Either cast the short buffs twice as much as before, or spend a precious feat on Extend. There's no reason to get rid of Extend. Make the choice.

The issue is, it's NOT a tough choice with the changes. It's something a palemaster or warchanter should consider(not even need mind you)...and that's about it. For everyone else, it's a brain dead BAD choice.

[maddmatt70]

Ill be dropping extend on every alt that has it, including my 3 bards.

I applaud your tough talk quik. The reality though is on say a battle bard what previously did we use extend for. I used extend on rage, displacement, focusing chant, and haste all of which still are extendable in Update 9. So I really do not see what is the rational for droping extend on battle bards other then forget this I do not want to be responsible for always casting haste/rage/displacement which is exactly what is going to happen next mod the writing is on the wall. I generally cast these spells anyways I mean, but something about being the only person to cast it kind of irritates me. A cc/healing bard has more spells affected so perhaps they can justify dropping it, but the same really applies in my mind. I hate being a total servant as a bard which is almost what changes like these imply.

[Thrudh]

Actually, Extend used to be a a tough choice on a feat starved classes. After the change it will be plain underwhelming. Right above Eschew Materials on the usefulness scale.

That may be true for a sorc... My wizard will (probably) still have it... It's certainly not useless... People will be happy when I join a group and they discover I have Extend.

[PresentTense]

My wizzy will probably keep extend, but my sorc will not have it. The feats are tight enough as it is, and since it will no longer effect offensive spells, it's only slightly more useful than eschew materials. I understand the concern some people have about short-duration hastes and rages, but seriously, if you know enough about the game mechanics to realize you don't need extend, you're probably good enough at the game to throw down some buffs every two minutes.

[Thrudh]

I do agree they have nerfed Extend a lot with this change... but it's still not completely useless...

Heck, my paladin has it JUST for Divine Favor, and Zeal... That allows him to use Madstone boots, and not have the spells run out while still Madstoned.

Maybe they should make it free instead of costing an extra 10 SP... Just taking the feat (instead of something else) is penalty enough.

Or maybe they should let it triple duration instead of double for 10 SP....

6 minute hastes instead of 2 minute hastes... You might think it worthwhile to take the feat then.

[Maegin]

You're not allowed to cast DoT AOEs in Shade's group. Your job is to buff him, and to only buff him.

That sounds absurd, squelching an arcane for not having extended buffs. I think people should be really squelching arcanes that have it in U9 because that confirms lack of understanding how this game works and what is important.

Example: Try finding an arcane that has eschew and is a very good player.

Shade: Hi, I'll take my package, please.
Arcane: 1 axer package, coming right up, but in lite fat-free form Deal with it.
Shade: <insert rant> /drop group &/squelch arcane
Arcane: /squelch Shade. Oh well, on to the next pug

No extend for firewall/etc etc etc offensive spells? Then no extend. They make pots for buffs, not feats.

[learst]

I generally cast these spells anyways I mean, but something about being the only person to cast it kind of irritates me. A cc/healing bard has more spells affected so perhaps they can justify dropping it, but the same really applies in my mind. I hate being a total servant as a bard which is almost what changes like these imply.

I haven't roll as many bards as you, but I do sorta understand what you're getting at. I love bards and I like playing support, but there's just something I hate about being pigeonholed about this - sorta like picking the scraps of the table. Everyone else has something too uber and powerful to dump Extend, so it's up to the bard to pick up the slack.

[Lifeblood]

eh..

Just give me more room on my squelch list.. If the extend nerf goes thru and arcanes do drop extend, im gonna need it.

- Raid lfm - casters/bard
Caster signs up.
/t caster Hi, Have extended haste, rage and displacement?
reply: No, why would I have that. *!@(#* you *!(#!@#{expletives deleted}
/squelch add ....
Error your squelch list is full.
sigh.

If that's what it takes to stop you from asking me to join your groups ..consider it done...my casters will no longer have extend

they are listed below so please add them

[Chai]

eh..

Just give me more room on my squelch list.. If the extend nerf goes thru and arcanes do drop extend, im gonna need it.

- Raid lfm - casters/bard
Caster signs up.
/t caster Hi, Have extended haste, rage and displacement?
reply: No, why would I have that. *!@(#* you *!(#!@#{expletives deleted}
/squelch add ....
Error your squelch list is full.

sigh.

Yeap, exactly. I ask for a caster with extended buffs, and now I get a complete analysis of why caster feels they dont need to have this that and the other thing.

[voodoogroves]

Yeap, exactly. I ask for a caster with extended buffs, and now I get a complete analysis of why caster feels they dont need to have this that and the other thing.

Yes and no.

LFM: caster/bard

... and ...

LFM: caster/bard with extend

... are not the same thing. The first is an assumption that the caster or bard will be built the way you want it, the second is clarifying what you want. People are entitled to get tweaked for whatever reason they want but if someone joins the first group and is challenged on why they have something or not, that's very different than joining the 2nd group w/o the requirements.

[Nick_RC]

My casters will not have it.

My bard for sure will have it. On 'my' bard I consider it my job to keep rage/hastes and displacements up then im typically raging. BUT my bard is not as versatile as some other ones. He plays very much like a melee.


I can see why norg is ticked off - his bards are great healers in addition to doing the regular stuff. Typically replaces a healer in all of our epic runs. For those types of bards the additional strain of having to throw extended hastes instead of the caster helping out (because people like extended haste) as well as healing will suck down the mana pool even faster.

Saying that I dont think it will be a big deal once it goes live - casters will jsut throw it twice as often. I doubt they would do as you suggest and drop it completely but it would probably be better if they did.

N

[wiglin]

I would keep extend on bards and wizards and thats it. As a bard extend is their pretty much to let you buff less often and be in the mix more often. Wizards have the feats with the free metamagics, and as a PM I would use extend for the aura alone.

The feat no longer has enough value to keep on a class that does not get bonus feats if it doesn't effect offensive spells. If it was not possible to get any of these buffs from outside sources I might have a different opinion, but when I play a melee I carry potions, wands, scrolls, clickies whatever it takes to be self sufficient. Their are so many ways to get buffs that I don't consider it the casters job to keep me buffed.

I do agree with Matt that if extend is losing its use on offensive spells, then just remove the feat and front load the duration of all buffs that are not 1 min per caster level.

[Maegin]

I would keep extend on bards and wizards and thats it. As a bard extend is their pretty much to let you buff less often and be in the mix more often. Wizards have the feats with the free metamagics, and as a PM I would use extend for the aura alone.

The feat no longer has enough value to keep on a class that does not get bonus feats if it does effect offensive spells. If it was not possible to get any of these buffs from outside sources I might have a different opinion, but when I play a melee I carry potions, wands, scrolls, clickies whatever it takes to be self sufficient. Their are so many ways to get buffs that I don't consider it the casters job to keep me buffed.

I do agree with Matt that if extend is losing its use on offensive spells, then just remove the feat and front load the duration of all buffs that are not 1 min per caster level.

^ This. +1

[Raiderone]

If the only reason we took Extend before was to be buffbots, then sure, but that isn't why I took the feat. Better Haste early on? Sure, but my primary motivation for Extend was longer Charms, Webs, disco balls, firewalls, fogs, etc...

That I've become a Pale Master since making the decision makes dropping it a little harder; if I were an AM, the feat would be gone already.

Exactly. I didn't take extend to increase my buffs on any of my casters or even on my bard or fvs or cleric.

It was always to extend CC or damaging spells. If many are no longer extendable,
then extend is done in my eyes. Wizard, Sorc, Cleric, FVS and probably my Bard will no longer have Extend.

Increased buffs was only the bi-product of taking Extend to save Spell Points to prevent additional casting of FW or OC spells.

[MsEricka]

Haste, Rage, Displacement, etc. Should all be doubled duration and extend removed from DDO.

No, that's what extend is for. Just because only buffs are extendable at this point doesn't mean it's time to make all buffs double duration so we can get rid of a feat.

Rubbish if a arcane is in a raid with us and there is no bard available (common) and he doesnt have extend we will get another arcane who does.

They will soon learn.

Yup you're all that to tell every arcane on a server how to make their toon. You will soon learn that almost no one cares what you OR I think.

Seriously, there is no way on my Sorc I'm going to have room for extend now.

This

Just give me more room on my squelch list.. If the extend nerf goes thru and arcanes do drop extend, im gonna need it.

Elitist much? It's easier to caste haste twice than to try and fit in extend in many (not all) cases. My wizard will keep extend, only because of the plethora of feats.

Byebye extend.

This

Heck, my paladin has it JUST for Divine Favor, and Zeal

This too

They make pots for buffs, not feats.

Ditto (This was being overused, I felt I needed a change)

Overall, I will probably take extend on my sorc when I TR, and swap it out at a higher level.

[Raiderone]

I believe that was the OPs point, that extend is already dead as there is no reason for a pure caster to take it. But since they keep eschew materials and other useless feats in the game I can't see them removing extend any time soon

Yes. Then in that case, I see what the OP and you are saying.

Either decrease the costs slighty or automatically increase duration based on lvls
and get rid of Extend.

Extend is already gone in my eyes...Casters/Divine and Bards..

[Impaqt]

Yes. Then in that case, I see what the OP and you are saying.

Either decrease the costs slighty or automatically increase duration based on lvls
and get rid of Extend.

Extend is already gone in my eyes...Casters/Divine and Bards..

The cost on most buffs were indeed reduced and the time does scale with level.

[B0ltdrag0n]

Didn't you all know that every caster/bard/healer's blue bar just extends Shade's red bar so that he is always a 50% displaced/50% Blind enemy/Haste/Rage/+Hit, damage, saves Monster, that will be Heroing eVelah while you all hide behind the rock and scroll heal him? (after all cant waste your blue bar on heals...its for buffing!)