Haste, Rage, Displacement, etc. should all be doubled duration

[Raiderone]

My War Chanters tend to run with lowish SP pools, so I definitely want to keep it on them.

Well if your taking extend then you are sacrificing something like GTF or Maximize for heals.

But thats your choice. No squelching here

[Asketes]

Rubbish if a arcane is in a raid with us and there is no bard available (common) and he doesnt have extend we will get another arcane who does.

They will soon learn.

or they can just cast haste twice as often, not that hard for an arcane to do.

I assure you

[Chette]

I'll be dropping extend on all my casters (divine and arcane) the day the update comes out. It's not worth a feat to have longer haste/rage/displace/recitation, which are the only spells I can think of that are even worth extending. I'll was already planning on dropping extend on my bard when she TRs and loses her two fighter levels. Folks are just going to have to get used to having 2 minute hastes. Or they could be babies like Shade, either way.

[Raiderone]

Rubbish if a arcane is in a raid with us and there is no bard available (common) and he doesnt have extend we will get another arcane who does.

They will soon learn.

Or you'll be playing your bard/caster all the time cause you won't find a caster with Extend!

So LOL!

[ColdNapalm]

Every PM should still have extend. With double/quad light damage and a light damage DoT, having aura up 24/7 is kinda important now as a PM....

[Impaqt]

unreal.....

Just cast it again... Its not that big a deal.

[Chette]

My War Chanters tend to run with lowish SP pools, so I definitely want to keep it on them.

The spells that are worth extending though are so cheap that you don't save that much from extend. Rage is 10 sp with the new update. Haste and displace are still 20. So I guess if you keep haste up constantly and displace on 2-3 people you're spending an additional 30-40 sp every 4 minutes over having them extended.

[maddmatt70]

unreal.....

Just cast it again... Its not that big a deal.

Excuse me, but do you have 3 bards or any at all? I thought so.

[Jaid314]

The spells that are worth extending though are so cheap that you don't save that much from extend. Rage is 10 sp with the new update. Haste and displace are still 20. So I guess if you keep haste up constantly and displace on 2-3 people you're spending an additional 30-40 sp every 4 minutes over having them extended.

i expect a fair number of pale masters will have extend. having to muck around with your self-healing in the middle of a fight isn't fun :P

[xTethx]

excuse Me, But Do You Have 3 Bards Or Any At All? I Thought So.

Lol. +1

[ColdNapalm]

i expect a fair number of pale masters will have extend. having to muck around with your self-healing in the middle of a fight isn't fun :P

As I mentioned above...double/quad light damage now on PM...and a light DoT. Mucking around with your self heal in the middle of a fight isn't just a nuisance now...it's out right deadly.

[LordDamax]

Only spells I NEED extend on are haste, displacement, and firewall. Hell, for 3 years I didnt even HAVE extend. Finally took it just for convenience. It was always a tossup for me between extend and enlarge.

So now, just to extend haste and displacement? Screw that.

Funny thing is, I'd swap it for Enlarge, but 90% of the spells I'd want to enlarge are now enlarged for free anyway. I'm not taking enlarge for fireball.

Byebye extend.

[Impaqt]

Excuse me, but do you have 3 bards or any at all? I thought so.

yes, I have a bard I play often. Also a Sorc and a 2 Wizards that will be dropping extend.

My bards a Pure warchanter with a meager SP Pool. He'll be keeping extend. My arcanes (And divines) will be dropping extend.

[LordDamax]

yes, I have a bard I play often. Also a Sorc and a 2 Wizards that will be dropping extend.

My bards a Pure warchanter with a meager SP Pool. He'll be keeping extend. My arcanes (And divines) will be dropping extend.

My bardbarian will be keeping it as well. He's only got 12 bard levels, and SP in the range of 500ish. Extend is good to bring his haste, displace, rage, expeditious retreat, and other spells up to a decent duration.

Pure casters however, at level 20, are dropping it like a hot potato.

[Darkrok]

I just respec'd back to Warchanter and seriously considered dropping extend on him as well. If I had a weapon that was better than a Min2 I would have dropped it. It's not a given that Bards will have it either. I still think it has value (unlike some of the threads that I've seen posted) but I'm not sure whether that value will be enough for some of the high-damage builds out there.

I disagree that Haste, Rage, and Displacement should just be doubled in duration. Double duration is now a bonus that won't be a given. I like that. It makes toons that do spec into Extend more valuable as they've given something up for additional party benefit. I see nothing wrong with there being a tradeoff there.

[Raiderone]

I dont believe they should make the spells automatically extended.. Otherwise Extend will really be dead.

Maybe lower the cost to 15 for Haste and Displacement since Rage was lowered as already noted.

I do like 4min Hastes and such. But on my Sorc, I have no choice but to drop it!
And heck I have a HUman Sorc.

[Krell]

Haste, Rage, Displacement, etc. Should all be doubled duration and extend removed from DDO. All I hear in party, guild, and friend chatter is only bards will have extend next mod and they will be solely responsible for casting hastes, rages, and displacements. Well I call shenanigins to this. Why does the burden always fall on the bard? I would recommend that Turbine remove extend from DDO and double the unextended spells' version that they had intended to allow to be extend and for the spells they do not want extendable just keep the implementation as is on Lammania. This is a team game.

While I'm not sure about the Bard angle, I do think that if a major spell pass is being done, that it wouldn't hurt to double the length of the Haste, Rage, and Displacement spells. I don't see any serious balance issues with doubling the spell duration and it will make some of the other changes less negative since many casters will no longer have the feat.

[Chette]

I dont believe they should make the spells automatically extended.. Otherwise Extend will really be dead.

I believe that was the OPs point, that extend is already dead as there is no reason for a pure caster to take it. But since they keep eschew materials and other useless feats in the game I can't see them removing extend any time soon

[Montrose]

Extend is the new Eschew.

[Missing_Minds]

unreal.....

Just cast it again... Its not that big a deal.

Honestly, that is my thought. Got a spell singer? regen your own sp. Why bother with extend again?