Haste, Rage, Displacement, etc. should all be doubled duration

[maddmatt70]

Haste, Rage, Displacement, etc. Should all be doubled duration and extend removed from DDO. All I hear in party, guild, and friend chatter is only bards will have extend next mod and they will be solely responsible for casting hastes, rages, and displacements. Well I call shenanigins to this. Why does the burden always fall on the bard? I would recommend that Turbine remove extend from DDO and double the unextended spells' version that they had intended to allow to be extend and for the spells they do not want extendable just keep the implementation as is on Lammania. This is a team game.

[SiliconShadow]

Rubbish if a arcane is in a raid with us and there is no bard available (common) and he doesnt have extend we will get another arcane who does.

They will soon learn.

[xTethx]

If it turns my haste pots into 1 min and rage pots into 3 mins then /signed

[dunklezhan]

Yep. I'll learn not to bother with raids.

Or... I'll claim i've 'forgotten' to turn on extend again, sorry oops my bad.

Seriously, there is no way on my Sorc I'm going to have room for extend now.

Scrapping extend completely though... not sure that's warranted just yet. There's more to buffs than short duration ones like haste rage and displacement, they're just the ones you care about. There's all the resists, death ward, spell resistance and so on. At low levels there's the attribute boosting spells. There's plenty of buffs that still benefit from extend.

Trouble is, its only buffs that benefit which I certainly disagree with as an approach.

[ayspam]

If it turns my haste pots into 1 min and rage pots into 3 mins then /signed

granted, dropping extend

[Memnir]

After playing with the changes to spells - I'd be fine with this.

In the Kingdom of the Nukes - the Extend-less Sorc is King... or something like that.

[Shade]

eh..

Just give me more room on my squelch list.. If the extend nerf goes thru and arcanes do drop extend, im gonna need it.

- Raid lfm - casters/bard
Caster signs up.
/t caster Hi, Have extended haste, rage and displacement?
reply: No, why would I have that. *!@(#* you *!(#!@#{expletives deleted}
/squelch add ....
Error your squelch list is full.

sigh.

[voodoogroves]

I like the negative-argument Matt and completely agree.

I won't be carrying this on my divines. Likely will carry it on my PM for Death Aura alone. Will drop it on my sorcs. Will keep it on my bards.

Sad but true.

[dunklezhan]

eh..

Just give me more room on my squelch list.. If the extend nerf goes thru and arcanes do drop extend, im gonna need it.

- Raid lfm - casters/bard
Caster signs up.
/t caster Hi, Have extended haste, rage and displacement?
reply: No, why would I have that. *!@(#* you *!(#!@#{expletives deleted}
/squelch add ....
Error your squelch list is full.

sigh.

Lol, people actually behave this way Shade? Geez. As a caster with no extend any longer, I think my response would be 'Sorry can't afford the feat. My spell points go further now tho, so I'll cast them twice for you instead if you agree to fight in my DoT AOEs?'

[Malky]

Rubbish if a arcane is in a raid with us and there is no bard available (common) and he doesnt have extend we will get another arcane who does.

They will soon learn.

Considering that water savants may dish out 2-3 times the dps of a fully geared barb on a raid target and that PMs will own the epic trash destroying world, i don't think you will have the opportunity to ditch one because he doesn't have extend.

Just hope that they will allow your melee to pike in their raids... or roll something that can hold aggro vs that kind of dps without intim-locking the boss since it won't be possible anymore

[voodoogroves]

eh..

Just give me more room on my squelch list.. If the extend nerf goes thru and arcanes do drop extend, im gonna need it.

- Raid lfm - casters/bard
Caster signs up.
/t caster Hi, Have extended haste, rage and displacement?
reply: No, why would I have that. *!@(#* you *!(#!@#{expletives deleted}
/squelch add ....
Error your squelch list is full.

sigh.

You don't need a caster with extend. You want a caster that keeps it going constantly.

My sorcs will want haste / rage up all the time, so that won't be an issue for them.

[SlogUK]

Yeah my divines and sorc will drop it for sure. Quite looking forward to what I could have instead! But I agree with op, that would be nice. But unlikely.

[Ponza69]

maybe cha wont be a dump stat on a bard anymore

[Shade]

You don't need a caster with extend. You want a caster that keeps it going constantly.

My sorcs will want haste / rage up all the time, so that won't be an issue for them.

Maintaining 3 buffs with a 2 minute duraiton is well beyond the capabilities of most pug players.

A sad reality. and thus why I do and would want a caster with extend.

Even at 4 minutes, most players will not refresh them without being requested to do so. Having to ask twice as often gets annoying.

Your sorc may be able, and as such I would just accept you and not qualify you if I knew you, as I would many on khyber.. I'm talking about pug players.

[Shade]

Lol, people actually behave this way Shade? Geez. As a caster with no extend any longer, I think my response would be 'Sorry can't afford the feat. My spell points go further now tho, so I'll cast them twice for you instead if you agree to fight in my DoT AOEs?'

Not too many. I'd say about 5% of players get very defensive about the question.

But yea, even at 5%, my squelch list filled up years ago =/ I pug a lot.

[voodoogroves]

Maintaining 3 buffs with a 2 minute duraiton is well beyond the capabilities of most pug players.

A sad reality. and thus why I do and would want a caster with extend.

Even at 4 minutes, most players will not refresh them without being requested to do so. Having to ask twice as often gets annoying.

Your sorc may be able, and as such I would just accept you and not qualify you if I knew you, as I would many on khyber.. I'm talking about pug players.

Check out the Earth - Flesh to Stone thread.


This is EXACTLY my worry with this update.


Does it make some spells and strategies more useful ON PAPER? Sure. Then again, what does it matter if I can solo claw with a sandwhich, or clear the wiz-king entry-way with my hagglebard?

If in all of this those new possibilities still aren't actually better for most players to carry off, no net gain in the places where limited strategies were really at play. We'll still have limited strategies and even less room for different options.

[SiliconShadow]

Considering that water savants may dish out 2-3 times the dps of a fully geared barb on a raid target and that PMs will own the epic trash destroying world, i don't think you will have the opportunity to ditch one because he doesn't have extend.

Just hope that they will allow your melee to pike in their raids... or roll something that can hold aggro vs that kind of dps without intim-locking the boss since it won't be possible anymore

You are greatly over estimating the changes.

[Raiderone]

eh..

Just give me more room on my squelch list.. If the extend nerf goes thru and arcanes do drop extend, im gonna need it.

- Raid lfm - casters/bard
Caster signs up.
/t caster Hi, Have extended haste, rage and displacement?
reply: No, why would I have that. *!@(#* you *!(#!@#{expletives deleted}
/squelch add ....
Error your squelch list is full.

sigh.

Hopefully minus the expletives! Expletives then yes Squelch but not because of no Extend.

Goodbye Extend! Cause most casters (wizards and sorcs), divine nukers and even bards will probably be dropping Extend. Face it Warchanters will not have Extend!

[voodoogroves]

My War Chanters tend to run with lowish SP pools, so I definitely want to keep it on them.

[Raiderone]

You don't need a caster with extend. You want a caster that keeps it going constantly.

My sorcs will want haste / rage up all the time, so that won't be an issue for them.

Whatever happened to the good old days of spell efficiency! No need to cast haste every few minutes. Or cast at all when mobs are few (1sp,3sp,6sp time).

Small fight..ie no haste should be needed. ie BYOH!

Big fight...here's your haste and other buffs