Haste, Rage, Displacement, etc. should all be doubled duration

[xTethx]

If it turns my haste pots into 1 min and rage pots into 3 mins then /signed

[ayspam]

If it turns my haste pots into 1 min and rage pots into 3 mins then /signed

granted, dropping extend

[Shade]

eh..

Just give me more room on my squelch list.. If the extend nerf goes thru and arcanes do drop extend, im gonna need it.

- Raid lfm - casters/bard
Caster signs up.
/t caster Hi, Have extended haste, rage and displacement?
reply: No, why would I have that. *!@(#* you *!(#!@#{expletives deleted}
/squelch add ....
Error your squelch list is full.

sigh.

[dunklezhan]

eh..

Just give me more room on my squelch list.. If the extend nerf goes thru and arcanes do drop extend, im gonna need it.

- Raid lfm - casters/bard
Caster signs up.
/t caster Hi, Have extended haste, rage and displacement?
reply: No, why would I have that. *!@(#* you *!(#!@#{expletives deleted}
/squelch add ....
Error your squelch list is full.

sigh.

Lol, people actually behave this way Shade? Geez. As a caster with no extend any longer, I think my response would be 'Sorry can't afford the feat. My spell points go further now tho, so I'll cast them twice for you instead if you agree to fight in my DoT AOEs?'

[Shade]

Lol, people actually behave this way Shade? Geez. As a caster with no extend any longer, I think my response would be 'Sorry can't afford the feat. My spell points go further now tho, so I'll cast them twice for you instead if you agree to fight in my DoT AOEs?'

Not too many. I'd say about 5% of players get very defensive about the question.

But yea, even at 5%, my squelch list filled up years ago =/ I pug a lot.

[Yaga_Nub]

...

But yea, even at 5%, my squelch list filled up years ago =/ I pug a lot.

Now I know what you're also so ****y.

[Thrudh]

Lol, people actually behave this way Shade? Geez. As a caster with no extend any longer, I think my response would be 'Sorry can't afford the feat. My spell points go further now tho, so I'll cast them twice for you instead if you agree to fight in my DoT AOEs?'

You're not allowed to cast DoT AOEs in Shade's group. Your job is to buff him, and to only buff him.

[dunklezhan]

You're not allowed to cast DoT AOEs in Shade's group. Your job is to buff him, and to only buff him.

To be fair, if a noob like me was in one of Shade's groups... that probably IS all I'd be allowed to do, for the good of everyone

[Thrudh]

What's the problem? Extend is a tough choice, now...

Nothing inherently wrong with tough choices in a MMO, right?

Either cast the short buffs twice as much as before, or spend a precious feat on Extend. There's no reason to get rid of Extend. Make the choice.

[Krag]

What's the problem? Extend is a tough choice, now...

Nothing inherently wrong with tough choices in a MMO, right?

Either cast the short buffs twice as much as before, or spend a precious feat on Extend. There's no reason to get rid of Extend. Make the choice.

Actually, Extend used to be a a tough choice on a feat starved classes. After the change it will be plain underwhelming. Right above Eschew Materials on the usefulness scale.

[andreascott89]

More likely the reverse will happen:

Raid Leader: You have extend?
Wiz/Sorce: Yep, got it covered.
Raid Leader: Gimp! Noob!

[Jamma]

Dropped. I like the suggestion of just making the bards do the rage/displace/haste buffage though. Great idea, glad you brought it up!

[sephiroth1084]

What's the problem? Extend is a tough choice, now...

Nothing inherently wrong with tough choices in a MMO, right?

Either cast the short buffs twice as much as before, or spend a precious feat on Extend. There's no reason to get rid of Extend. Make the choice.

If the only reason we took Extend before was to be buffbots, then sure, but that isn't why I took the feat. Better Haste early on? Sure, but my primary motivation for Extend was longer Charms, Webs, disco balls, firewalls, fogs, etc...

That I've become a Pale Master since making the decision makes dropping it a little harder; if I were an AM, the feat would be gone already.

[ColdNapalm]

What's the problem? Extend is a tough choice, now...

Nothing inherently wrong with tough choices in a MMO, right?

Either cast the short buffs twice as much as before, or spend a precious feat on Extend. There's no reason to get rid of Extend. Make the choice.

The issue is, it's NOT a tough choice with the changes. It's something a palemaster or warchanter should consider(not even need mind you)...and that's about it. For everyone else, it's a brain dead BAD choice.

[voodoogroves]

eh..

Just give me more room on my squelch list.. If the extend nerf goes thru and arcanes do drop extend, im gonna need it.

- Raid lfm - casters/bard
Caster signs up.
/t caster Hi, Have extended haste, rage and displacement?
reply: No, why would I have that. *!@(#* you *!(#!@#{expletives deleted}
/squelch add ....
Error your squelch list is full.

sigh.

You don't need a caster with extend. You want a caster that keeps it going constantly.

My sorcs will want haste / rage up all the time, so that won't be an issue for them.

[Ponza69]

maybe cha wont be a dump stat on a bard anymore

[Shade]

You don't need a caster with extend. You want a caster that keeps it going constantly.

My sorcs will want haste / rage up all the time, so that won't be an issue for them.

Maintaining 3 buffs with a 2 minute duraiton is well beyond the capabilities of most pug players.

A sad reality. and thus why I do and would want a caster with extend.

Even at 4 minutes, most players will not refresh them without being requested to do so. Having to ask twice as often gets annoying.

Your sorc may be able, and as such I would just accept you and not qualify you if I knew you, as I would many on khyber.. I'm talking about pug players.

[voodoogroves]

Maintaining 3 buffs with a 2 minute duraiton is well beyond the capabilities of most pug players.

A sad reality. and thus why I do and would want a caster with extend.

Even at 4 minutes, most players will not refresh them without being requested to do so. Having to ask twice as often gets annoying.

Your sorc may be able, and as such I would just accept you and not qualify you if I knew you, as I would many on khyber.. I'm talking about pug players.

Check out the Earth - Flesh to Stone thread.


This is EXACTLY my worry with this update.


Does it make some spells and strategies more useful ON PAPER? Sure. Then again, what does it matter if I can solo claw with a sandwhich, or clear the wiz-king entry-way with my hagglebard?

If in all of this those new possibilities still aren't actually better for most players to carry off, no net gain in the places where limited strategies were really at play. We'll still have limited strategies and even less room for different options.

[Raiderone]

You don't need a caster with extend. You want a caster that keeps it going constantly.

My sorcs will want haste / rage up all the time, so that won't be an issue for them.

Whatever happened to the good old days of spell efficiency! No need to cast haste every few minutes. Or cast at all when mobs are few (1sp,3sp,6sp time).

Small fight..ie no haste should be needed. ie BYOH!

Big fight...here's your haste and other buffs

[Chette]

I'll be dropping extend on all my casters (divine and arcane) the day the update comes out. It's not worth a feat to have longer haste/rage/displace/recitation, which are the only spells I can think of that are even worth extending. I'll was already planning on dropping extend on my bard when she TRs and loses her two fighter levels. Folks are just going to have to get used to having 2 minute hastes. Or they could be babies like Shade, either way.