Haste, Rage, Displacement, etc. should all be doubled duration

[SiliconShadow]

or they can just cast haste twice as often, not that hard for an arcane to do.

I assure you

I rather they didn't have too, it stops them from doing other things like CC and DPS that's quite annoying, even if it is a short break thier DPS does count thier CC counts A LOT.

From where I am stood, looking at the spells you can extend if you don't take it you are not a team player and you are not welcome, same as someone who won't turn PA off if thier DPS is too high and pulling threat, or someone who spams boosts as soon as they get on a boss instead of spamming them near the end when agro is established and we get done in the same amount of time.

[voodoogroves]

I rather they didn't have too, it stops them from doing other things like CC and DPS that's quite annoying, even if it is a short break thier DPS does count thier CC counts A LOT.

From where I am stood, looking at the spells you can extend if you don't take it you are not a team player and you are not welcome, same as someone who won't turn PA off if thier DPS is too high and pulling threat, or someone who spams boosts as soon as they get on a boss instead of spamming them near the end when agro is established and we get done in the same amount of time.

Really? Awfully judgemental.

If you're hasted 100% of the time by non-extended hastes, that dude is a non-team player ... really?

[Claransa]

As of update 9 haste displace and rage are combat buffs only. You will not get an extended haste at the start of a quest, its a waste of a feat. I won't constantly haste either, it's a waste of my mana. You'll get haste when we get in a fight that needs it. If you don't like that get yourself some striders or getto haste each other with clickies. Deal with it any way you want I don't care. If you don't want to group with me because of this that's fine, I'm sure I don't want to group with you either.*

Edit: displace is for me

[pregnable]

Some of the Bards and I got together.

We decided it would be quite well to remove extend spell for everyone but babies.

Babies will get extend spell for free when they are well able to beat away Sahuagin before the baby vendor goes away from within the diary of the Cannith crystal.

[shagath]

That sounds absurd, squelching an arcane for not having extended buffs. I think people should be really squelching arcanes that have it in U9 because that confirms lack of understanding how this game works and what is important.

Example: Try finding an arcane that has eschew and is a very good player.

[Quikster]

Ill be dropping extend on every alt that has it, including my 3 bards.

[Sarisa]

My cleric is PROBABLY going to keep it for Divine Power, Divine Favor, Prayer, and Holy Aura (when used as a buff, ie EV6 and not a debuff like in Amrath trash fights).

My THF bard will probably keep it because of my limited SP pool. I already have Maximize for emergency healing.

My wiz/rogue I haven't decided on, I may not play that character at all after the update. I refuse to go pale master, and there is no point being an enchantment spec'ed archmage anymore.

[domecek1]

they should give us free change of extend.

[learst]

Honestly, that is my thought. Got a spell singer? regen your own sp. Why bother with extend again?

Even on my pure spellsinger bard, I'm reluctant to drop Extend. And that's mainly for my own 4 min Displacement!

[Thriand]

2 min haste? not a big deal, I've played pure bards without extend before, and I remember playing back at the level 10 cap, once you get used to the timer it won't be a big deal at all.

It's a shame that ALL offensive spells got hit, if they would've let things like web and ottos irresistable dance be extended then there might of been a reason to keep it, however it just isn't worth the feat slot on sorcerers just to have convenient timers on 4 spells (haste, displacement, rage, and fireshield)

[Darkrok]

My wiz/rogue I haven't decided on, I may not play that character at all after the update. I refuse to go pale master, and there is no point being an enchantment spec'ed archmage anymore.

It would require an LR but AM Evoker is very fun and force-based casters will get some added benefits to spells such as ice storm, disintegrate, horrid wilting, and meteor swarm. The really nice part is that this build gets around one of the big problems with splash wizards - the lower Spell Pen - by just avoiding spells that have SR checks.

[Aashrym]

Honestly, that is my thought. Got a spell singer? regen your own sp. Why bother with extend again?

Except I'm not sure I want to play my spellsinger so much anymore.

[Thrudh]

Lol, people actually behave this way Shade? Geez. As a caster with no extend any longer, I think my response would be 'Sorry can't afford the feat. My spell points go further now tho, so I'll cast them twice for you instead if you agree to fight in my DoT AOEs?'

You're not allowed to cast DoT AOEs in Shade's group. Your job is to buff him, and to only buff him.

[sephiroth1084]

Rubbish if a arcane is in a raid with us and there is no bard available (common) and he doesnt have extend we will get another arcane who does.

They will soon learn.

More likely the community is going to have to learn to live without Extended buffs.

I'm running around some quests now without turning on Extend on my wizard to see if I can stand unextended Haste and Death Aura. If I can, Extend goes. If I can't, it stays. It will have nothing to do with what people desire from me in a raid or quest, and I usually complain when I see an unextended Haste, even on my wizard.

When nearly all of the utility for the feat is removed, what's the point of keeping the feat?

[dunklezhan]

You're not allowed to cast DoT AOEs in Shade's group. Your job is to buff him, and to only buff him.

To be fair, if a noob like me was in one of Shade's groups... that probably IS all I'd be allowed to do, for the good of everyone

[Thrudh]

What's the problem? Extend is a tough choice, now...

Nothing inherently wrong with tough choices in a MMO, right?

Either cast the short buffs twice as much as before, or spend a precious feat on Extend. There's no reason to get rid of Extend. Make the choice.

[Krag]

What's the problem? Extend is a tough choice, now...

Nothing inherently wrong with tough choices in a MMO, right?

Either cast the short buffs twice as much as before, or spend a precious feat on Extend. There's no reason to get rid of Extend. Make the choice.

Actually, Extend used to be a a tough choice on a feat starved classes. After the change it will be plain underwhelming. Right above Eschew Materials on the usefulness scale.

[andreascott89]

More likely the reverse will happen:

Raid Leader: You have extend?
Wiz/Sorce: Yep, got it covered.
Raid Leader: Gimp! Noob!

[Jamma]

Dropped. I like the suggestion of just making the bards do the rage/displace/haste buffage though. Great idea, glad you brought it up!

[sephiroth1084]

What's the problem? Extend is a tough choice, now...

Nothing inherently wrong with tough choices in a MMO, right?

Either cast the short buffs twice as much as before, or spend a precious feat on Extend. There's no reason to get rid of Extend. Make the choice.

If the only reason we took Extend before was to be buffbots, then sure, but that isn't why I took the feat. Better Haste early on? Sure, but my primary motivation for Extend was longer Charms, Webs, disco balls, firewalls, fogs, etc...

That I've become a Pale Master since making the decision makes dropping it a little harder; if I were an AM, the feat would be gone already.