Sheilds and DR

[Tarnoc]

ok so ive been testing on my intimi who has on live a shield blocking dr of 42 and 6 from stalwart who blocks 48 damage reliably


i go onto lamania and they have changed the first feat and it says i should be 20%

all ive noticed to be different is now i have a shield blocking dr of 39 and 6 stalwart for a total of 45 reliably tested in the pheinix tavern

please explain and tell me you didnt just take 3 dr from a feat to make it do nothing


ok so after more testing in the lobster it is determined the feat is working but not posting anyhting in the combat log to say so........also it is working as a passive dr wen not shield blocking

can we please get it to post in our combat logs as to wat its really doing

[Missing_Minds]

bug report that also.

[Coldin]

Doesn't the new version of Shield Mastery actually decrease all physical damage by 10-20% while wearing a shield?

That's actually pretty huge. Much bigger than the reduction in DR.

[Tarnoc]

Doesn't the new version of Shield Mastery actually decrease all physical damage by 10-20% while wearing a shield?

That's actually pretty huge. Much bigger than the reduction in DR.

ok how do i test that is working???i see nothing in my combat log about it

the person hitting me on lama was hitting for an high of 51 base and i was blocking 45
and ide take 6 damage from those hits....how do i test that hes loosing 20% before my dr?

[Xenus_Paradox]

-10% physical damage with bucklers and light shields, -15% with large shields, -20% with tower shields.

[quickgrif]

-10% physical damage with bucklers and light shields, -15% with large shields, -20% with tower shields.

Improved Shield Bash now grants a 20% chance to make a secondary shield bash while attacking with a melee weapon.
Shield Mastery's feat benefit has been changed to, "You are now skilled with the use of a shield, and your physical damage vulnerability is decreased by 10% when using a buckler or small shield, 15% when using a large shield, or 20% when using a tower shield."

[Tarnoc]

bump with an edit

[J1NG]

To help with the explanation of what's going on, allow me to write it up.

1. I brought my FvS into the Lobster PvP area, without the Shield Mastery feat. I have DR20- via blocking. In PvP I was hit for damage.

2. After a rough feel for the damage that gets through, roughly 12-18 damage, I switched in Shield Mastery feat.

3. Going back into PvP, I was hit again, this time I was being hit for around 6-11 damage odd.

At NO point was there any indication that I was taking less damage in my own combat logs. It still says I blocked 20 damage.

If there wasn't the discrepency in the damage that was done before and after, we wouldn't have even noticed that the damage was reduced.

It was also after this that we found that the feat is actually passive. Meaning you only nead your shield in hand to obtain the bonus. (Thank you sniping me when I wasn't blocking(!)... )

Would it be possible to add this reduction in as well into the logs? Or at least make it more clear that it's an entirely passive feat, and only needing to have the shield in hand gives you this reduction?

J1NG

[CeltEireson]

So is the 20% on the tower shield, for example, taken off the damage before DR is taken into consideration or after?

[J1NG]

So is the 20% on the tower shield, for example, taken off the damage before DR is taken into consideration or after?

It is effectively applied before DR is utilised. So 100 damage will be 80 whilst using a Tower Shield before you reduce by 20.

At least, that's how it seems from preliminary testing.

J1NG

[quickgrif]

Anyone mess with improved shield bash yet?

[Sydril]

Seems to be working as intended but some combat log feedback would be greatly beneficial.

[kcru]

ok how do i test that is working???i see nothing in my combat log about it

the person hitting me on lama was hitting for an high of 51 base and i was blocking 45
and ide take 6 damage from those hits....how do i test that hes loosing 20% before my dr?

I'd say, let him hit you without blocking. That should be the base damage - 20%. Then unequip the shield... that should be base damage.

[Vallin]

Anyone mess with improved shield bash yet?

Yes, and it works quite well.

I am not of the number crunching mentality, but it went off with notable frequency and contributed nicely to overall dps. Again, on a qualitative note, the animation was also cool.

I like it.

Vallin.

[LordDamax]

So is the base DR 3/- gone from it then?

Ugh.

I mean, I guess 20% off the top BEFORE DR happens is better than DR 3/- but not being able to figure your real DR is a pain in the ass.

[Cyr]

So is the base DR 3/- gone from it then?

Ugh.

I mean, I guess 20% off the top BEFORE DR happens is better than DR 3/- but not being able to figure your real DR is a pain in the ass.

It's alot more then 3 more blocking DR now. It happens even when not shield blocking and appears to come off the top.

That is effectivelly a stacking DR 6/- versus mobs that deal 30 damage a swing...or DR 9/- versus those that deal 45 damage a swing. That is pretty impressive. So impressive that I am considering taking this feat on my PM wizard.

[quickgrif]

Yes, and it works quite well.

I am not of the number crunching mentality, but it went off with notable frequency and contributed nicely to overall dps. Again, on a qualitative note, the animation was also cool.

I like it.

Vallin.

What type of shield you use and how much damage you are getting? Also is it untyped damage or blud?

[IronClan]

It's alot more then 3 more blocking DR now. It happens even when not shield blocking and appears to come off the top.

That is effectivelly a stacking DR 6/- versus mobs that deal 30 damage a swing...or DR 9/- versus those that deal 45 damage a swing. That is pretty impressive. So impressive that I am considering taking this feat on my PM wizard.

which means they'll be nerfing it in no time.

[Ironforge_Clan]

which means they'll be nerfing it in no time.

Maybe not considering the changes they have made to intimidate. The two combined changes do offset each other nicely. For a S&B initimitank getting 20% damage resistance when just holding a shield is very handy since you now have to take a couple of swings to maintain aggro/threat.

[Coldin]

which means they'll be nerfing it in no time.

I don't think so. Sword and Board style has been pretty underpowered, not offering the best DPS, and only the best defense when not attacking.

The new feat gives a very nice advantage to wearing a shield. Honestly, I think a similar, smaller, bonus should be granted even without the feat.

A tank build, using Bastard Swords, with the Two-Handed Fighting feats, Improved Shield Bashing, and Shield Mastery....should have some respectable DPS and respectable defense.