Sheilds and DR

[Tarnoc]

ok so ive been testing on my intimi who has on live a shield blocking dr of 42 and 6 from stalwart who blocks 48 damage reliably


i go onto lamania and they have changed the first feat and it says i should be 20%

all ive noticed to be different is now i have a shield blocking dr of 39 and 6 stalwart for a total of 45 reliably tested in the pheinix tavern

please explain and tell me you didnt just take 3 dr from a feat to make it do nothing


ok so after more testing in the lobster it is determined the feat is working but not posting anyhting in the combat log to say so........also it is working as a passive dr wen not shield blocking

can we please get it to post in our combat logs as to wat its really doing

[Missing_Minds]

bug report that also.

[Coldin]

Doesn't the new version of Shield Mastery actually decrease all physical damage by 10-20% while wearing a shield?

That's actually pretty huge. Much bigger than the reduction in DR.

[Tarnoc]

Doesn't the new version of Shield Mastery actually decrease all physical damage by 10-20% while wearing a shield?

That's actually pretty huge. Much bigger than the reduction in DR.

ok how do i test that is working???i see nothing in my combat log about it

the person hitting me on lama was hitting for an high of 51 base and i was blocking 45
and ide take 6 damage from those hits....how do i test that hes loosing 20% before my dr?

[Xenus_Paradox]

-10% physical damage with bucklers and light shields, -15% with large shields, -20% with tower shields.

[quickgrif]

-10% physical damage with bucklers and light shields, -15% with large shields, -20% with tower shields.

Improved Shield Bash now grants a 20% chance to make a secondary shield bash while attacking with a melee weapon.
Shield Mastery's feat benefit has been changed to, "You are now skilled with the use of a shield, and your physical damage vulnerability is decreased by 10% when using a buckler or small shield, 15% when using a large shield, or 20% when using a tower shield."

[kcru]

ok how do i test that is working???i see nothing in my combat log about it

the person hitting me on lama was hitting for an high of 51 base and i was blocking 45
and ide take 6 damage from those hits....how do i test that hes loosing 20% before my dr?

I'd say, let him hit you without blocking. That should be the base damage - 20%. Then unequip the shield... that should be base damage.

[Tarnoc]

bump with an edit

[J1NG]

To help with the explanation of what's going on, allow me to write it up.

1. I brought my FvS into the Lobster PvP area, without the Shield Mastery feat. I have DR20- via blocking. In PvP I was hit for damage.

2. After a rough feel for the damage that gets through, roughly 12-18 damage, I switched in Shield Mastery feat.

3. Going back into PvP, I was hit again, this time I was being hit for around 6-11 damage odd.

At NO point was there any indication that I was taking less damage in my own combat logs. It still says I blocked 20 damage.

If there wasn't the discrepency in the damage that was done before and after, we wouldn't have even noticed that the damage was reduced.

It was also after this that we found that the feat is actually passive. Meaning you only nead your shield in hand to obtain the bonus. (Thank you sniping me when I wasn't blocking(!)... )

Would it be possible to add this reduction in as well into the logs? Or at least make it more clear that it's an entirely passive feat, and only needing to have the shield in hand gives you this reduction?

J1NG

[CeltEireson]

So is the 20% on the tower shield, for example, taken off the damage before DR is taken into consideration or after?

[J1NG]

So is the 20% on the tower shield, for example, taken off the damage before DR is taken into consideration or after?

It is effectively applied before DR is utilised. So 100 damage will be 80 whilst using a Tower Shield before you reduce by 20.

At least, that's how it seems from preliminary testing.

J1NG

[quickgrif]

Anyone mess with improved shield bash yet?

[sephiroth1084]

Yes, and it works quite well.

I am not of the number crunching mentality, but it went off with notable frequency and contributed nicely to overall dps. Again, on a qualitative note, the animation was also cool.

I like it.

Vallin.

What kind of shield were you using?
How much damage was the bash attack doing when it triggered?
What other feats do you have? Does Power Attack affect the damage?
If you change shields (from light, to heavy to tower, from +1 to +5, etc...) does the bash damage change?
Did you test it against monsters with DR? Did it bypass their DR?

[IronClan]

20% is the top damage mitigation (we now have three types of damage mitigation, AC, DR and this unnamed percentage based mitigation, not counting miss chances like blur/displace/ethereal)...

20 damage is lowered by 4

30 is lowered by 6

40 is lowered by 8

50 by 10

If they put this mitigation on metal armor it might make up for the fact that Monk splashes in Pajamas can obtain higher AC easier and with better DPS than a armored AC tank.

Still it requires a feat, as does the bashing thing.

So instead of taking THF feats (for Dwarven Axe glancing blows, and as a THF DPS mode for the 90% of the time you're not using S&B) or feats like PA or Stunning blow, you're taking these S&B feats...

On a build that is sacrificing almost every gear slot for AC gear...

On a build that devotes almost every AP to a defensive PrE and getting AC (armor mastery) and intim (+ Charisma for Pali's)

On a build that requires some of the worst grinding in the game to gear out (Titan, TOD Hound, SOS for Sovereign Rune of Leviks for example)....

Now I also need to take at least two S&B feats.... lol...

Oh and they've made Intim a single target hate tanking skill where DPS will be required to hold the intim...

This seems a lot like Lucy yanking the football away from Charlie Brown IMO... Or two steps forward three steps back.

[Coldin]

20% is the top damage mitigation (we now have three types of damage mitigation, AC, DR and this unnamed percentage based mitigation, not counting miss chances like blur/displace/ethereal)...

20 damage is lowered by 4

30 is lowered by 6

40 is lowered by 8

50 by 10

If they put this mitigation on metal armor it might make up for the fact that Monk splashes in Pajamas can obtain higher AC easier and with better DPS than a armored AC tank.

Still it requires a feat, as does the bashing thing.

So instead of taking THF feats (for Dwarven Axe glancing blows, and as a THF DPS mode for the 90% of the time you're not using S&B) or feats like PA or Stunning blow, you're taking these S&B feats...

On a build that is sacrificing almost every gear slot for AC gear...

On a build that devotes almost every AP to a defensive PrE and getting AC (armor mastery) and intim (+ Charisma for Pali's)

On a build that requires some of the worst grinding in the game to gear out (Titan, TOD Hound, SOS for Sovereign Rune of Leviks for example)....

Now I also need to take at least two S&B feats.... lol...

Oh and they've made Intim a single target hate tanking skill where DPS will be required to hold the intim...

This seems a lot like Lucy yanking the football away from Charlie Brown IMO... Or two steps forward three steps back.

Well, my Paladin over on Lamannia just swapped in Improved Shield Bash, and still has all the THF feats, Power Attack, IC: Slashing, Toughness, Bastard Sword Prof., and a Lesser Dragonmark.

Granted, she's a Human with 1 level of Fighter. But a pure fighter will have many more feats than that. Pure paladins will have to pick and choose a bit, but I see nothing wrong with having to make those kind of choices.

[sephiroth1084]

Well, my Paladin over on Lamannia just swapped in Improved Shield Bash,

And?

[TiranBlade]

Crosses His Fingers that Greater Shield Bash (extra +20% Bash Attempt) is in the Works.