Behind Enemy Lines 13F/7M/1Ro

[txpoodoo]

I usually don't post my builds on here, for one, I usually dont do anything really out of the ordinary. But this build I am looking for some feedback. Its out of my comfort zone, esp when it comes to the monk class.

Some highlights:
Kensai II
Ninja I
Adept Wind II (which stance do you suggest?)
Full UMD + SF UMD
4d6+3 Sneak attack (plus bonuses to sneak speed)
Some CC capability with good trip dc's (with vertigo) and sap
Fighter Haste IV
Human Versatility IV

Some worries:
-WSS/Shortsword/Handwraps?? This will be a leveling build, I figure WSS out of the gate would get me the most DPS. But I'm not a math person.
-Are my hide/move silent high enough to get the job done?
-Are Concentration and Diplomacy high enough?


Thanks for any input!

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Behind Enemy Lines
Level 20 Lawful Neutral Half-Elf Female
(12 Fighter \ 7 Monk \ 1 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 334
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 14
Will: 9

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    26
Dexterity            15                    17
Constitution         14                    16
Intelligence         14                    16
Wisdom                8                    10
Charisma             10                    12

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               6                     9
Bluff                 0                     3
Concentration         4                    22
Diplomacy             4                    20
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                0                     1
Heal                 -1                     0
Hide                  6                    19
Intimidate            0                     3
Jump                  7                    15
Listen                3                     4
Move Silently         6                    17
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                     3
Search                2                     3
Spot                  3                     4
Swim                  3                     8
Tumble                6                     9
Use Magic Device      4                    27

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Rogue
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Whirling Steel Strike


Level 4 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Sap
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Trip) I
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Improved Jump I
Enhancement: Improved Tumble I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 5 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Combat Expertise
Enhancement: Improved Rogue Dilettante I
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I


Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Trip
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II


Level 7 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness
Enhancement: Human Versatility III


Level 8 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Improved Jump II


Level 9 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Improved Tumble II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II


Level 10 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Trip) II
Enhancement: Human Versatility IV


Level 11 (Monk)
Enhancement: Static Charge


Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Kensei Longsword Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I


Level 13 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I


Level 14 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Adept of Wind


Level 15 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Improved Rogue Dilettante II


Level 16 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Quick Draw
Enhancement: Fighter Longsword Specialization I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III


Level 17 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV


Level 19 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Trip) III


Level 20 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Kensei Longsword Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Adept of Rock

[txpoodoo]

Mistake in title...should read 12F/7M/1Ro

[krisz93]

Rogue Dill. Doesn't stack with rogue sneak attack. For better SA you should pick halfling with unarmed Kensai and wind stance. You could also try elf with WSS longswords focus in fire stance.

[Jaid314]

Rogue Dill. Doesn't stack with rogue sneak attack. For better SA you should pick halfling with unarmed Kensai and wind stance. You could also try elf with WSS longswords focus in fire stance.

it does stack with monk sneak attack last i heard though. 3d6 helf sneak attack + 1d6 monk sneak attack + 3 rogue sneak attack enhancement... not sure if the enhancement works or not mind you, but i don't see why not.

[krisz93]

3d6 extra sneak attack might sound good, but it is not better than what you would get with a halfling. The average of 3d6 is 10. So your average SA damage per hit with that build is 10+3+3.
Halfling enhancements add +8 to SA damage. They get 1d6 from rogue, 1d6 from monk and +3 from SA training.

10+3+3 < 8+3+3+3

[txpoodoo]

Regarding SA-

I know I don't get the Rogue's 1d6 for 1 level, and I agree that a halfling would get on average 1-2 more damage on sneak attacks.

However, I would have to give up Human Versatility...extra 5 damage for 20 secs on every attack in Wind Stance II (add fighter haste IV to that) would be a huge loss in dps. Even more in non-sa situations.

How would I replace this on a halfling?

Regarding WSS vs Handwraps...I have been doing some testing. I think its close but handwraps win. Anyone know for sure though with only 7 levels of Monk?