Nerf Stick

[Trapdoor]

Hi All.
I for one have invested hundreds and hundreds of dollars into this game. And what do i get for it.

1) Casters get nerfed by programming changes that do not allow the said casters to buy very important scrolls such as Cloud Kill, Firewall, Solid fog, other such things.

2) Casters get their spells nerfed, Firewall for example, A crit firewall doesnt last the length of the spell, which is rediculous! and against the laws of physics, each tic has a chance to crit ? Really? now, i have to wait the entire length of the spell for those crits to tic every so often, Instead of burning my mana to get that crit firewall, to solo eye of the titan end boss and other.

3) now! they plan on nerfing firewall again and making mobs running through get a save?


Anyone Agree!??!?!? Put your name to this and tell the devs what to fix in this game that they are maybe unknowingly making less enjoyable for people.

Deathsbreath.

[twix]

/not signed

[mikejaz]

Well said! I agree 100%

[Dawnsfire]

I am waiting to see how it all works on Lam. I think a lot of the doom is very premature.

/Not signed . . . yet

[katz]

I am waiting to see how it all works on Lam. I think a lot of the doom is very premature.

/Not signed . . . yet

agreed

[Asketes]

best of luck where you decide to end up.


/notsigned

[oberon131313]

Having more fun now than I was when Firewall Scrolls were buyable.

/notsigned

[Kaeldur]

Hi All.
I for one have invested hundreds and hundreds of dollars into this game. And what do i get for it.

1) Casters get nerfed by programming changes that do not allow the said casters to buy very important scrolls such as Cloud Kill, Firewall, Solid fog, other such things.

2) Casters get their spells nerfed, Firewall for example, A crit firewall doesnt last the length of the spell, which is rediculous! and against the laws of physics, each tic has a chance to crit ? Really? now, i have to wait the entire length of the spell for those crits to tic every so often, Instead of burning my mana to get that crit firewall, to solo eye of the titan end boss and other.

3) now! they plan on nerfing firewall again and making mobs running through get a save?

4) Sounds to me like Turbine has gotten all the rotten programmers from EQ and made them hit this game with the nerf stick so that people will go to LOTR. Not me... Give me my money back and let this dead horse get flogged again and again by poor management.

Anyone Agree!??!?!? Put your name to this and tell the developers what to fix about this game that they are ruining.

Deathsbreath.

Wait... are you serious or did I fail a /sarcasm roll ?

[Trapdoor]

well for those of you who /not signed, you obviously dont play much, either that or you play big barbs who it doesnt affect, but i tell you this, BARB NERF is coming bud, just like those nerfers want you to think your safe, then bamn, youll be whining and no one will care , coz you were warned...

You have been warned!

AND MASS HOLD = NO AUTO CRIT!!!!!!!! (another nerf coming soon)

[oberon131313]

well for those of you who /not signed, you obviously dont play much, either that or you play big barbs who it doesnt affect, but i tell you this, BARB NERF is coming bud, just like those nerfers want you to think your safe, then bamn, youll be whining and no one will care , coz you were warned...

You have been warned!

AND MASS HOLD = NO AUTO CRIT!!!!!!!! (another nerf coming soon)

[broolthebeast]

it happens in every mmo. Players devise a single tactic that is very effective and devs counter it with changes to the game. am I happy about them? not really. Just means my sorc will no longer be my main toon and probably only used to scroll farm.

[Kaeldur]

well for those of you who /not signed, you obviously dont play much, either that or you play big barbs who it doesnt affect, but i tell you this, BARB NERF is coming bud, just like those nerfers want you to think your safe, then bamn, youll be whining and no one will care , coz you were warned...

You have been warned!

So who doesn't agree with you is dumb? I don't have a single barbarian. Maybe I don't play much according to you, because you seem too steamed up about this. First of all try using other spells, wizards and sorcerers get a bunch of spells, not only one, try using them.

And are you really talking about "law of physics" in DDO/D&D/Fantasy? I mean... really? And what does "law of physics" have to do with firewall crits? I guess I missed Newton's formula on critical firewalls. Maybe that was in Physics II?

I'll just stop here, not worth discussing all the points of your OP.

[Trapdoor]

So who doesn't agree with you is dumb? I don't have a single barbarian. Maybe I don't play much according to you, because you seem too steamed up about this. First of all try using other spells, wizards and sorcerers get a bunch of spells, not only one, try using them.

And are you really talking about "law of physics" in DDO/D&D/Fantasy? I mean... really? And what does "law of physics" have to do with firewall crits? I guess I missed Newton's formula on critical firewalls. Maybe that was in Physics II?

I'll just stop here, not worth discussing all the points of your OP.

(cough cough) yes well, newtons formula on ddo is physics isnt for the feint of heart.... i think it was something like that. and so on...

[Hirosue]

I don’t like the look of the changes at all.. It looks to me like change for the sake of change. And of course these changes follow the major nerf to caster in the last mod.
The last MOD saw casters get shafted by the changes to air elementals / mephitis and a few other mobs. Having dancing sphere , cloud kill, acid fog, mind fog and firewalls dispelled by air elementals and of course not forgetting the joy of other party members calling air elemental pets.

And of course dont foget the nerf to fogs that we all complained about and were ignored. i.e acid fog / solid fog not slowing mobs .

Now we see what is probably the main mid level (8-14) sorc/wizzy spell – firewall getting severely nerfed i.e no longer subject to extend meta magic and mobs get a reflex save vs it too.
I understand that spell costs are set to be lowered . but to what effect ? yay cheaper firewalls for all- shame they are 50% less duration and mobs get reflex save though.

Perhaps it isn’t all bad though. As this new mod has made my mind up for me to True res away from sorc for good.

p.s to the OP , Barbarian class got its nerf a very long time ago when critical rage was replaced with frenzied beserker.

[Tsuarok]

(cough cough) yes well, newtons formula on ddo is physics isnt for the feint of heart.... i think it was something like that. and so on...

Wasn't that something like

N = CR^100000

"for every nerf there is a hugely disproportionate community reaction"?

[quickgrif]

well for those of you who /not signed, you obviously dont play much, either that or you play big barbs who it doesnt affect, but i tell you this, BARB NERF is coming bud, just like those nerfers want you to think your safe, then bamn, youll be whining and no one will care , coz you were warned...

You have been warned!

AND MASS HOLD = NO AUTO CRIT!!!!!!!! (another nerf coming soon)

Premature statement without testing the said changes out. I will give my thoughts after testing the changes.

I capped casters plenty of times and don't see it your way but in conclusion.. when you drop to name calling and calling doom to try to win a fight you already have lost.

[Trapdoor]

Premature statement without testing the said changes out. I will give my thoughts after testing the changes.

I capped casters plenty of times and don't see it your way but in conclusion.. when you drop to name calling and calling doom to try to win a fight you already have lost.

Not resorting to name calling, however.... for all you people who like Kiters in TOD.... well... your going to need to work out a new tactic. coz by the time your kiters makes it half way round the room, the shadows are going to eat you all when the non extended firewall drops....... doom and gloom , maybe.... but then hey.... tod just got a whole lot harder

[quickgrif]

well for those of you who /not signed, you obviously dont play much, either that or you play big barbs who it doesnt affect, but i tell you this, BARB NERF is coming bud, just like those nerfers want you to think your safe, then bamn, youll be whining and no one will care , coz you were warned...

You have been warned!

AND MASS HOLD = NO AUTO CRIT!!!!!!!! (another nerf coming soon)

Not resorting to name calling, however.... for all you people who like Kiters in TOD.... well... your going to need to work out a new tactic. coz by the time your kiters makes it half way round the room, the shadows are going to eat you all when the non extended firewall drops....... doom and gloom , maybe.... but then hey.... tod just got a whole lot harder

See your statement above when you declare that everyone who does not agree with you must not have played much.

Anyway its out on Lam to test.

[Zigana]

Not resorting to name calling, however.... for all you people who like Kiters in TOD.... well... your going to need to work out a new tactic. coz by the time your kiters makes it half way round the room, the shadows are going to eat you all when the non extended firewall drops....... doom and gloom , maybe.... but then hey.... tod just got a whole lot harder

Meh, most ToD groups I run with have 2 kiters. Just send the first out like normal, and the second out when the first is half way around. Shouldn't be that much more difficult to work around it. And probably reduce half the wipes that normally happen when the kiter drops, as there's still a kiter going and keeping the mobs off the party and time to get the 2nd one back up and back on track. I'm looking forward to trying this tactic out actually.

[Drakos]

well for those of you who /not signed, you obviously dont play much, either that or you play big barbs who it doesnt affect, but i tell you this, BARB NERF is coming bud, just like those nerfers want you to think your safe, then bamn, youll be whining and no one will care , coz you were warned...

You have been warned!

AND MASS HOLD = NO AUTO CRIT!!!!!!!! (another nerf coming soon)

/Sorry to dissapoint you but I don't play Big Barbs, and I do have a caster I was specing for Firewall, but I still agree with the spell changes they are implementing.

Looking at the spell changes involved here, the intent is obvious. They are trying to nerf kiting with the long duration AoE spells. This is a highly abused tactic, why, because it gives more bang for the buck so to speak for your SP expenditure. They buffed the direct damage and instant AoE spells to encurage a shift in spell caster tactics.