Capstone worth it?

[Zarquine]

Okay, like the title says, is the Fighter Capstone Enhancement worth taking?

I recently capped my Kensai and noticed that I have to reset my enhancements, because some I took were useful at lower levels but aren't that useful anymore.

[Asketes]

hell yes it's worth it

[Phemt81]

Well, i also think so.

But talking about that, Do the swashbuckler 6% double strike chance improve the fighter capstone?

[Asketes]

Well, i also think so.

But talking about that, Do the swashbuckler 6% double strike chance improve the fighter capstone?

isn't that a shield?

[Zarquine]

Okay, I took the capstone and it looks nice so far. Thank you for your answers.

[Phemt81]

isn't that a shield?

Sure, it is.

Now to even more powerplay speculations!!!

Do the Cutthroat(6%DS) stacks with Epic Swashbuckler(6%) and Fighter alacrity (10% DS) for a total of a 22% chance to double strike?

Developer reply would be really appreciated!

[Elixxer]

Sure, it is.

Now to even more powerplay speculations!!!

Do the Cutthroat(6%DS) stacks with Epic Swashbuckler(6%) and Fighter alacrity (10% DS) for a total of a 22% chance to double strike?

Developer reply would be really appreciated!

Even if it does stack your only swinging 1 weapon

[Nyvn]

Even if it does stack your only swinging 1 weapon

Double strike only applies to your main hand...

[Cold_Stele]

THF gets more benefit than TWF, but still definitely worth it.

With THF you're effectively getting 11 blows/10 swings, that's 10% more DPS. Apart from IC and PA I can't think of any feats that give you that much of a boost.

[AylinIsAwesome]

It's worth it.

THF gets 110% swings.

TWF gets 106% swings out of it.

[Elixxer]

Double strike only applies to your main hand...

I am aware. I said.. well you know what I said .
I'd rather have meeles go THF/TWF instead of trying to dps with a shield, I'm not going to go into math. But isn't that shield still way less DPS?

If it's just flavor go for it

[eulogy098]

I hear that all the time... "thf benefits more from doublestrike then twf" and for the life of me i dont understand why.

No doublestrike-
100 Swings with two hander = 100 hits
100 Main hand swings while TWF = 100 main hand hits = 80 offhand hits.


fighter capstone- 10% doublestrike.
100 Swings with a two hander = 110 total hits.
100 Main Hand swings while TWF = 110 Main hand hits = 88 offhand hits.


10% more mainhand hits would equal exactly 10% more totall offhand hits because offhand hits are linked directly too main hand... so how exactly is THF in any way more advantagious then TWF for doublestrike ?

[Vissarion]

10% more mainhand hits would equal exactly 10% more totall offhand hits because offhand hits are linked directly too main hand... so how exactly is THF in any way more advantagious then TWF for doublestrike ?

Doublestrike doesn't proc offhand attacks.

[Monkey-Boy]

over an 18/2? For pure DPS purposes yes.

Spalshing 2 for a evasion is questionable as getting a good reflex save on a 18 levels of fighter is really tough so the benefits are minimal.

Deeper splashes (12/6/2 "Monster" or "Blitz" builds") can get a decent reflex save but it's such a deep-splash that comparing is silly.

[redspecter23]

Doublestrike doesn't proc offhand attacks.

What he's saying is that doublestrike procs off of main hand attacks and those procced main hand attacks can proc offhand attacks. While none of your offhand attacks proc doublestrike, you can get both a main hand and offhand attack to proc off of a doublestrike. For most 2wf'ers, that's 1.8 attacks added per doublestrike.

[HungarianRhapsody]

What he's saying is that doublestrike procs off of main hand attacks and those procced main hand attacks can proc offhand attacks. While none of your offhand attacks proc doublestrike, you can get both a main hand and offhand attack to proc off of a doublestrike. For most 2wf'ers, that's 1.8 attacks added per doublestrike.

I have never seen a doublestrike main hand attack proc an off-hand attack.

I have tested this and I suppose it's possible that I was just supremely unlucky, but I was testing it for a while and I'd be very surprised if I just happened to not ever get an offhand attack on a doublestrike attack when there should be an 80% chance of getting that offhand attack.

[Emili]

What he's saying is that doublestrike procs off of main hand attacks and those procced main hand attacks can proc offhand attacks. While none of your offhand attacks proc doublestrike, you can get both a main hand and offhand attack to proc off of a doublestrike. For most 2wf'ers, that's 1.8 attacks added per doublestrike.

A "double-strike" cannot proc another "double-strike". <- that's the main rule.

http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p...&postcount=808

The Devs in good insight knew if double-strike were added as an off-hand proc it be tad much.

One of the most interesting things of gtwf be... off-hand weapon properties, like stunning, sundering etc... or 20 proc'd items. d'ya ever see a 20 roll while holding two triple infused alchemy weapons on a traning dummy?

[Emili]

Well, i also think so.

But talking about that, Do the swashbuckler 6% double strike chance improve the fighter capstone?

Items do not stack with each other - the largest % prevails - but...

Items and enhancements stack - they're rolled separate

i.e. Looks like this:

• Main hand attack
  
  1. You get a 10% fighter capstone check
  2. You get a 6% item check

be once in a while with an enhancement and item you can see "two" double-strike invoked from a single main-hand attack.

[gerardIII]

Okay, like the title says, is the Fighter Capstone Enhancement worth taking?

Maybe you can explain the reason that makes you doubt its worth.

[Vissarion]

A "double-strike" cannot proc another "double-strike". <- that's the main rule.

http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p...&postcount=808

The Devs in good insight knew if double-strike were added as an off-hand proc it be tad much.

One of the most interesting things of gtwf be... off-hand weapon properties, like stunning, sundering etc... or 20 proc'd items. d'ya ever see a 20 roll while holding two triple infused alchemy weapons on a traning dummy?

My understanding of that chart is that doublestrike only adds to the main hand and has absolutely no effect on offhand. But I may be misunderstanding what you are claiming.

To illustrate:

"Regular" GTWF: 100% Main, 80% Off
10% Doublestrike (Wind Stance, Zeal, Capstone, etc): 110% Main, 80% Off

Now, if the extra main hand attacks that result from doublestrike also have the chance to proc offhands at an 80% rate, we would have 110% Main, 88% Off. Doublestrikes wouldn't produce doublestrikes, and offhand attacks wouldn't proc them, otherwise that would increase it further.

I had thought that devs had made it clear around the time of the U5 changes that the extra main hand attacks from doublestrike were not supposed to be proccing offhands like regular main hand attacks. At least from my observations of my Monk in Ultimate Wind Stance, that seemed to be true.

If that is not the case, it would be good to know.