Spell Pass Preview - Chaaannggeee!

[DelverRootnose]

This. Pew-Pew all day long.

so I will be able to cast scorching ray or magic missle once every what, 24 seconds after I use up my spell points. Oh joy I get to stand around, or more likely run around, trying not to get killed while the barbs turn on auto attack and go have coffee. May as well TR into an arcane archer.

[Raiderone]

I miss the good old days when you needed originality with casting spells.
I've always liked specific spell type and quantities per level instead of here's your whole pool of Spell Points...go cast what u want.

I know they'll never go to this old model but when long cool downs are put in place,
it's to force you to some type of alternative method and to use good judgement as to when to cast Wail or COD. Just think maybe during that cooldown, you could cast neg energy burst to decrease HP levels, so your next Wail will be more effective!
I agree with a longer cooldown but maybe not 4 minutes. You better prep them with before hand with damage spells or neg enery burst!


I think some spells should even have a negative effect on the spell caster. Whether that be HP damage or fatigue level. Cast 10 Wails,FW,COD(other spells too) and you are fatigued (which cannot be healed)..thus decreasing your effectiveness for a certain period of time. Continue to cast additional Named Spells and your fatigue is increased kinda like DA. All in between rest shrines.

[voodoogroves]

I miss the good old days when you needed originality with casting spells.
I've always liked specific spell type and quantities per level instead of here's your whole pool of Spell Points...go cast what u want.

I know they'll never go to this old model but when long cool downs are put in place,
it's to force you to some type of alternative method and to use good judgement as to when to cast Wail or COD. Just think maybe during that cooldown, you could cast neg energy burst to decrease HP levels, so your next Wail will be more effective!.

Or you can just cast your spell DPS options and SLAs which are incredibly cheap.

Zap zap zap zap should I bother with wail or just zap zap zap ok dead

[DelverRootnose]

OT:
Why? Have you even run some calculations on this?
Considering an Esos wielder barely competes with just mineral II TWF builds, if anything they need to introduce another THF weapon as powerful as Esos (but equally hard to aquire).

SoS is 5d6+10 correct with augment slot. What other weapon can do that much. that is before things like power attack are calcualted in. Am I wrong since I do not have one and think playing melee toons really boring, except my monk.

[Absolute-Omniscience]

so I will be able to cast scorching ray or magic missle once every what, 24 seconds after I use up my spell points. Oh joy I get to stand around, or more likely run around, trying not to get killed while the barbs turn on auto attack and go have coffee. May as well TR into an arcane archer.

Man, I've never seen anyone so pessimistic.
No point in arguing, you're not going to change your mind, nor is anyone else with a similar attitude. Lets just wait and see.

PS: When you (the community) realize that Sorcs are the new OP and wizards are still fine; know that I called it.

[Absolute-Omniscience]

SoS is 5d6+10 correct with augment slot. What other weapon can do that much. that is before things like power attack are calcualted in. Am I wrong since I do not have one and think playing melee toons really boring, except my monk.

You are correct, but THF is just so far behind TWF so it doesn't make it better or even equal to TWF.

[SynalonEtuul]

I like the changes D: The only thing I really don't like is the unextendable FWs

[DelverRootnose]

I miss the good old days when you needed originality with casting spells.
I've always liked specific spell type and quantities per level instead of here's your whole pool of Spell Points...go cast what u want.

I know they'll never go to this old model but when long cool downs are put in place,
it's to force you to some type of alternative method and to use good judgement as to when to cast Wail or COD. Just think maybe during that cooldown, you could cast neg energy burst to decrease HP levels, so your next Wail will be more effective!
I agree with a longer cooldown but maybe not 4 minutes. You better prep them with before hand with damage spells or neg enery burst!


I think some spells should even have a negative effect on the spell caster. Whether that be HP damage or fatigue level. Cast 10 Wails,FW,COD(other spells too) and you are fatigued (which cannot be healed)..thus decreasing your effectiveness for a certain period of time. Continue to cast additional Named Spells and your fatigue is increased kinda like DA. All in between rest shrines.

If they really wanted to do something intresting to persistant effect Aoe they could have done SP drain. Like you can have your fire wall on as long as you want but it continually drains SP until you turn it off. Would be fun but I do not know if it would be workable in MMO style play.

[voodoogroves]

Man, I've never seen anyone so pessimistic.
No point in arguing, you're not going to change your mind, nor is anyone else with a similar attitude. Lets just wait and see.

PS: When you (the community) realize that Sorcs are the new OP and wizards are still fine; know that I called it.

That's not what I'm worried about at all.


Sorcs will be the new OP. Enjoy blasting your damage spells. Wizards may be fine, just may also be a completely different play style than many folks who play wizards enjoy.

[DelverRootnose]

Man, I've never seen anyone so pessimistic.
No point in arguing, you're not going to change your mind, nor is anyone else with a similar attitude. Lets just wait and see.

PS: When you (the community) realize that Sorcs are the new OP and wizards are still fine; know that I called it.

and when the only types of casters out there are different flavors of elemental canons, and they have hard time getting end game groups, know that I called it.

[Kriogen]

That's not what I'm worried about at all.


Sorcs will be the new OP. Enjoy blasting your damage spells. Wizards may be fine, just may also be a completely different play style than many folks who play wizards enjoy.

It Sorc will be the new OP, then it will be nerfed. Fast.

[Razcar]

Soon.

They nerfed Tempest, twitch barbarians, now FW/Hold/autocritical. Khopesh is next.

Yup. Only way to be nerf-safe is to go with the absolutely worst. That's why my TWF chars all rock clubs. Dual Silver Flame FTW! They should make Club cost a feat as well to make it even safer.

Anyway, as always, it cannot be said better than in song:

Nerf is in the air
Everywhere I look around
Nerf is in the air
Every sight and every sound

And I don't know if I'm being foolish
Don't know if I'm being wise
But it's something that I must believe in
And it's there when I look in the dev's replies

Nerf is in the air
In the whispers of the Mournlanders
Nerf is in the air
In the thunder of the forum ganders

And I don't know if I'm just dreaming
Don't know if I feel sane
But it's something that I must believe in
And it's there when the devs call out my main

Nerf is in the air
In the rising of mod Nine
Nerf is in the air
And it's smelling all bovine

[DelverRootnose]

It Sorc will be the new OP, then it will be nerfed. Fast.

why doesn't turbine make it so all characters do 10 DPS and all mobs have 100 HP then all we have to worry about is looking stylish as we do it.

[quijenoth]

The Echoes of Power bit adds no real strength to the classes, but it does allow spent casters to keep doing something to feel useful.

Which is exactly a good implementation.

-Kernal

Pale masters are currently the weakest option in this but since they currently are the most mana efficient in the game I don't see this as an issue.

On the other hand, all those asking for more sp as you level one word of warning...

Lesser Death Aura is a level 2 spell which (if it remains at 15 sps) means a pale master under this rule has unlimited hit point regeneration for his SLAs.

[Auran82]

and when the only types of casters out there are different flavors of elemental canons, and they have hard time getting end game groups, know that I called it.

For someone who keeps claiming that someone else doesn't play or know much about casters, you sure don't seem to know much about casters.

[Logicman69]

I don't know if this has been already said but:

The SP Regen is just plain stupid. Casters should be learning to manage their spell points, not get free one's because they blew all their SP on the first mob.

If this goes through, the I was Free HP regen on my Barb! He gets hit too much between shrines and dies.

[DelverRootnose]

Pale masters are currently the weakest option in this but since they currently are the most mana efficient in the game I don't see this as an issue.

On the other hand, all those asking for more sp as you level one word of warning...

Lesser Death Aura is a level 2 spell which (if it remains at 15 sps) means a pale master under this rule has unlimited hit point regeneration for his SLAs.

and an evocation archmage can cast maximized empowered magic missle all day. maybe even chain missle. But god it will be boring.

[DelverRootnose]

I don't know if this has been already said but:

The SP Regen is just plain stupid. Casters should be learning to manage their spell points, not get free one's because they blew all their SP on the first mob.

If this goes through, the I was Free HP regen on my Barb! He gets hit too much between shrines and dies.

the free SP regen is really stupid considering all the work I went to to get vile blasphmey and all the work I still want to do for the eardweller.

[weewoo0]

Soon.

They nerfed Tempest, twitch barbarians, now FW/Hold/autocritical. Khopesh is next.

they'll have to implement greensteel deconstruction for anyone with a GS khopesh because honestly. we're talking about weapons that players spent months getting and if they go from king to **** well then i think we'll have more than a 'few' ****ed off players and more than a 'few' players leaving over a company that would show that they could care less about the player's hard work.

[Wizzly_Bear]

Not going to proclaim doom, but I do have a few things to say.

Torc - please use Dev tracker. (edit: Nm, I see it now)

Changes - first glance: don't like 'em. I agree there were a lot of useless spells and I look forward to them becoming useful, but based on history I don't have faith in Turbine's ability to accomplish this.

Why does every improvement have to be accompanied by huge nerfs?

Why do changes have to be so drastic and sudden? Would it not have been more palatable to do one or two things at once?

For better or worse, casting will be VERY different.

All that said, I will demolish these changes just like I have every other

Oh, and btw...I was starting to feel a little guilty for not having spent any money on the game for a while...thank you for removing that guilt.

PS almost forgot...thank you for notifying in advance. Always easier to digest that way.