Hello DDO Brethren and Sistren,
After a good deal of preliminary input, I have landed closer to a build for my very first TR. Currently, he's a capped pure cleric healer/caster. I want him to hit stuff with an axe instead of a cometfall in his next life.
Goals:
Decent DPS (I know it won't be top notch)
Ability to raid heal (important goal to me)
Non WF FVS (I know the build, I know it's good, I just don't want it at this time. This build should have better DPS anyway via Divine Might; also the only builds that really directly benefit from a cleric past life are a cleric or a pally.)
Another small point is that this char will use a greataxe. Carnifex in early levels, MIN2 in later levels. I know a Falchion would be better. But it's a flavor thing. His name is Kashil (Hebrew for Axe). If Dorf really would be better, I'd like to hear it.
Feat order is prolly not optimal- suggestions here are appreciated.
Lastly, skills. Points are SCARCE. The playstyle would be IN COMBAT as much as possible and healing via Rad Serv and Quickened Cures (regaining SP through Con-Op/Torc). Should I just put points in Concentration for scroll healing OR go intimidate? It would maximize the THF glancing blows AND SP procs. COuld be kinda kewl.
Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.8.1 DDO Character Planner Home Page KashilHorc Level 20 True Neutral Half-Orc Male (2 Fighter \ 18 Cleric) Hit Points: 296 Spell Points: 1174 BAB: 15\15\20\25\25 Fortitude: 17 Reflex: 6 Will: 13 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (34 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 18 26 Dexterity 8 10 Constitution 15 17 Intelligence 6 8 Wisdom 11 14 Charisma 15 20 Tomes Used +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) Balance 0 1 Bluff 2 5 Concentration 2 3 Diplomacy 2 5 Disable Device n/a n/a Haggle 2 5 Heal 0 4 Hide -1 0 Intimidate 4 18 Jump 4 8 Listen 0 2 Move Silently -1 0 Open Lock n/a n/a Perform n/a n/a Repair -2 -1 Search -2 -1 Spot 0 2 Swim 4 8 Tumble n/a n/a Use Magic Device n/a n/a Level 1 (Fighter) Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric Feat: (Selected) Toughness Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting Level 2 (Fighter) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack Level 3 (Cleric) Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell Level 4 (Cleric) Level 5 (Cleric) Level 6 (Cleric) Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell Level 7 (Cleric) Level 8 (Cleric) Level 9 (Cleric) Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting Level 10 (Cleric) Level 11 (Cleric) Level 12 (Cleric) Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell Level 13 (Cleric) Level 14 (Cleric) Level 15 (Cleric) Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting Level 16 (Cleric) Level 17 (Cleric) Level 18 (Cleric) Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons Level 19 (Cleric) Level 20 (Cleric) Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant II Enhancement: Orcish Extra Action Boost I Enhancement: Orcish Extra Action Boost II Enhancement: Orcish Melee Damage I Enhancement: Orcish Melee Damage II Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack I Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack II Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack III Enhancement: Orcish Strength I Enhancement: Orcish Great Weapon Aptitude I Enhancement: Orcish Great Weapon Aptitude II Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Improved Heal I Enhancement: Improved Heal II Enhancement: Improved Intimidate I Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot IV Enhancement: Cleric Charisma I Enhancement: Cleric Charisma II Enhancement: Fighter Strength I Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I Enhancement: Cleric Divine Might I Enhancement: Cleric Divine Might II Enhancement: Cleric Divine Might III Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning I Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning II Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery II
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03-21-2011, 01:55 PM #1Community Member
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Melee Cleric- Criticism Welcome!
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03-21-2011, 02:16 PM #2Community Member
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That is very close to my horc battlecleric who is at lvl 14/2 right now except I maxxed him to twenty strength but he is a second tr. It has worked really great though most recently Im finding myself often having to turn off my power attack (with 2 levels of horc pa enhancement) which cripples me alot in vale and even orchard quests (tho more often on elite). Originally Posted by Meat-Head
There are two reasons. One is when raid bosses become much more difficult to hit even though I have divine power giving me the same bab as a fighter, 35 strength (need to redo enhancements or get better dt armor to even this) plus divine favor and prayer and recitation. Two is on many mobs when I dont have my buffs running (if I have used up all my sp). Saying that I havent been using a +6 strength item relying on divine power for the +6 (I'll remedy this).**********KNIGHTSOFSHADOW ***********
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03-21-2011, 03:02 PM #3Community Member
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My suggestion for you is that ditch Maximize and go for Extend instead. Since you won't be casting spells much, and your DC is suffering. Once you get the Heal spell, you will be over healing yourself with Empower Healing anyways.
Extend will let you have a longer Divine Favor/Divine Power/Recitation, it will save you sp in the long run.
Put skill points into concentration instead, so you can have close to no-fail self heal while you're in combat.
Quicken heals puts too much stress on your blue bar since you don't have much sp to start with.
Take Quicken at level 18 since you should be only using it for raids heals.
If you're suffering from hitting bosses you should really ditch your tier 3 PA and put more AP in to haste boost or weapon aptitude. Or even ditch Orcish PA altogether and get more toughness/action boost/haste boost.Last edited by Famodius; 03-21-2011 at 03:06 PM.
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03-21-2011, 03:08 PM #4Community Member
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If you are going to use only Carnifex and MinII greataxe, drop improved critical and get extend. If you want to use other weapons too (Lit2, eSOS), drop GTHF and get extend. It is soooo convenient, and sp saver
Do not drop maximize - your BB even with dumped wis will be good eneough with maximize, extend and quicken.
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03-21-2011, 03:24 PM #5Community Member
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Good call on the extend. It WILL make a difference on those short buffs.
I had heard about the to-hit probs. If THAT is the case, then I wonder if dropping the Orc PA stuff and going Dorf makes more sense.
Imp Crit might be ok to drop.. But, eventually I'll want a LitII. Also, there may be some bane weapons I'll want situationally. SOmething to think about tho for sure. Originally Posted by Darkrok
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03-21-2011, 03:45 PM #6Community Member
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Half orc ovedamages dwarves even without power attack ench - they get +4 dmg with 2handers (matches dravnem ench) and then they get +4 str. To hit issues are common in middle level range - when you will hit cap and get some nice gear, they will disapear and you will be able to take power attack ench again (this is my experience from playin WF FVS
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03-21-2011, 03:46 PM #7Hero
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Hello!
A few comments to chew on…
1) I would take the 2nd fighter at 14 (instead of 2), you will get RS1/RS2, Heal, Raise dead, etc earlier – that one level will seem like a lot
2) I would put a little more into WIS, you want to be able to do runes in Vons, etc…14 should be plenty
3) It looks like you dumped Concentration – I would consider not doing this… you will need concentration to cast from scrolls and quicken burns through a lot of spell points… don’t want to leave it on all the time..
4) I would get Extend for sure.. but I would drop the IC-S or GTWF and keep maximizeSarlona - Guildmaster - Brotherhood of Redemption - ddoborguild.com - 2016 & 2017 Players Council --- Alts: Acetylene, Antimematter, CNG, Dilithium Crystal, EMF, EMPulse, Exothermic, Geothermal, Hexane, Hexyne, Hydropower, JA, Kerosene, LPG, Natural Gas, Nuclearpower, Propane, Solarpannel, Tidalpower, WASOB, Waulter, Windpower, Woodpile
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03-21-2011, 04:11 PM #8Community Member
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Originally Posted by Propane
I agree completely with #1 and #4. In fact, when putting this into the planner, I wasn't even thinking about order of feats or levels. Just wanted to see the end result. I would definitely postpone the 2nd fighter level.
As far as #3.. You're probably right. I was just fantasizing about intim.. I'll stick to concentration.
#4.. I don't think I want to afford that at the cost of other stats.. Enuf wis monks out there to get wis runes. :0) Originally Posted by Darkrok
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03-21-2011, 03:48 PM #9The Hatchery
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Interesting way of going about this. I'm thinking of something similar (posted in the Character builds forum if interested) but like the discussion here and wanted to say that this is very good advice for someone rolling up a Cleric of this sort. Wish I could add but there is nothing I can think of that hasn't been said.
BYOH. Know it, abide by it, or don't mess with those who do. Originally Posted by TheLegendOfAra
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03-21-2011, 04:00 PM #10Founder
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not a fan but
Horc is making this look pretty good. I don't usually like melee clerics but I'd roll with ya to see this one in action.
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