New Area Scrolls New Values

[~sumptingwong]

There has been talk of DDO having scrolls be named after the areas they are dropped from, Ex: Desert Scroll, Fens Scroll, Chronoscope Scroll, etc...

So based on the scroll that it has dropped from can be used to make any epic item as long as you have the basic item, shard, and seal. As well as this your scrolls that are already named that you have pulled will not change to the area scroll and become WORTHLESS, unless of course someone is looking for that certain item (but still don't expect them to trade 22 flawless reds for your Marilith scroll, you'll be lucky if they pay 1 large scale).

So as a server we should decide a server wide ballpark prices for the area scrolls. Would like to see the opinions of a fair amount of players so we can decide the basic prices for the scrolls.

My Thoughts on pricing the scrolls as below are this...
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Chronoscope: 3 flawless red scales for one
Desert: 1 flawless red scale and 1 large scale for one
Red Fens: 1 flawless red scale for one
Sentinels of Stormreach: 1 large scale for one
The Vault of Night: 2 flawless red scales for one
Phiarlan Carnival: 1 large scale and 1 large stone for one
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Thank you for putting your opinions here, if you think I am horribly wrong then go for your own rankings, if you think I am right I would quote it and type /signed

[NinjaNeed]

This is a seriously silly idea for 2 reasons (at least)...

1. The Dev's have said that the area scroll will NOT effect current content, only new content with a possible change in the future.

2. The scrolls will cost whatever the market says they should cost. When they first go on the market the price will be insane, but it will drop.

[Asketes]

[EDIT]
Your post was creative, I enjoyed reading it. I am neutral on the topic b/c I've never thought of things like this. I really don't care one way or another so i'm typing this mundane comment instead.

I'm glad people are thinking outside the box. regardless of it being unecessary or necessary, good or bad input. thinking is generally a good thing

[/EDIT]

[Quarterling]

Lol

Your post is very informative and helpful to this thread. However, it is possible to contribute more than by using just one word that makes you appear juvenile; observe.

Now most things regarding epic scrolls are only rumors that have been tossed around between people as I was farming Crystal Cove (for example, this goes along with no more auto-critting held mobs). I have reason to believe that epic scrolls will be usable with any potentially epic item, but with NinjaNeed's post, I just now learned that this only will be applying to new content. To me, it would make sense to apply this to all current content as well, but as he said, it's unknown when/if this will happen.

[Asketes]

Your post is very informative and helpful to this thread. However, it is possible to contribute more than by using just one word that makes you appear juvenile; observe.

Now most things regarding epic scrolls are only rumors that have been tossed around between people as I was farming Crystal Cove (for example, this goes along with no more auto-critting held mobs). I have reason to believe that epic scrolls will be usable with any potentially epic item, but with NinjaNeed's post, I just now learned that this only will be applying to new content. To me, it would make sense to apply this to all current content as well, but as he said, it's unknown when/if this will happen.

appearances can be deceiving to those who only look at the covers of books

i liked your neg rep. thanks too bad you couldn't really give me more.

just because I find a thread funny doesn't mean i'm trolling it or derailing it. get off my lawn and back off bro.


I have a right to participate in this forum as much as you. I'm allowed to enjoy a thread just as much as you have a right to provide creative input.

[EDIT]

I didn't know how to respond. maybe instead of an lol i can say something like: your post was creative, i enjoyed reading it. I am neutral on the topic b/c i've never thought of things like this. I really don't care one way or another so i'm typing this mundane comment instead.

that better?

[Quarterling]

People here care about reputation? That's news to me. And I'm pretty sure as long as your over 1600 you can still give negs; but I digress, I only use it to get humorous posts out of people that post something that doesn't contribute to a thread. The entertainment supplied for the long weekend is just a bonus (because today is Monday).

[Asketes]

People here care about reputation? That's news to me. And I'm pretty sure as long as your over 1600 you can still give negs; but I digress, I only use it to get humorous posts out of people that post something that doesn't contribute to a thread. The entertainment supplied for the long weekend is just a bonus (because today is Monday).

you and I are thinking along the same lines.

and yup I agree as well, just thought you were taking my lol a little too seriously. /sad panda


and yes, i walked into work and got to respond to your post. for that you actually get a cookie from me (well i guess a +1 will have to do)

lmao

[Chette]

This is a seriously silly idea for 2 reasons (at least)...

1. The Dev's have said that the area scroll will NOT effect current content, only new content with a possible change in the future.

2. The scrolls will cost whatever the market says they should cost. When they first go on the market the price will be insane, but it will drop.

Regarding 1, do you have a link to that? I do not recall seeing anything about that, only that the change would not retroactively change current named scrolls to generic scrolls. It seems very unlikely this change, if implemented, would not also apply to future scroll drops for existing packs, especially since Demon Sands was used as an example.

Regarding 2, I completely agree.

If indeed all areas become generic scrolls I can't see me paying more than a devil scale for ANY scroll, except maybe chronoscope, as you can farm yourself a generic scroll in under an hour in any other area in relative safety.

[MownDown]

bah cheara if you know what your doin, or get Model off his lazy behind you can get at least 1 scroll in a hour in chrono as well, but shhhh itsa sekrit

[Chette]

bah cheara if you know what your doin, or get Model off his lazy behind you can get at least 1 scroll in a hour in chrono as well, but shhhh itsa sekrit

The secret is "don't be a lazy bum". Unfortunately those instructions were too complex for me, especially since in U9 I won't be able to just hold and woo-woo the devils what with my 16 strength fully geared and buffed :P

[mute_mayhem]

The fundamental flaw with your idea is that not all epic items are equally desirable/powerful.

To set a price on a generalized scroll is to assume that all epic items in a given area are equally desirable/powerful.

When this change occurs, it will really be the buyer determining what the price of a scroll is, based upon what item they plan to make out of that scroll.

If you have a desert scroll up for sale, and I want to make a marilith chain out of it, you can bet I'd be willing to pay a whole lot more for it. But if someone wants to use that same scroll to make say...a weathered targe...you wouldn't honestly expect the same kind of offer as if they were planning on making a marilith chain now would you? And you can't assume that all scrolls you sell will be used to make marilith chains/eSoS/RoSS etc etc

[westudi]

I have a suggestion as well: price-fixing should be prohibited.

[Asketes]

appearances can be deceiving to those who only look at the covers of books

i liked your neg rep. thanks too bad you couldn't really give me more.

just because I find a thread funny doesn't mean i'm trolling it or derailing it. get off my lawn and back off bro.


I have a right to participate in this forum as much as you. I'm allowed to enjoy a thread just as much as you have a right to provide creative input.

[EDIT]

I didn't know how to respond. maybe instead of an lol i can say something like: your post was creative, i enjoyed reading it. I am neutral on the topic b/c i've never thought of things like this. I really don't care one way or another so i'm typing this mundane comment instead.

that better?

hehe i'm getting all types of neg from this.. OM NOM NOM

one was a big one, like 25 pts... good thing rep doesn't mean anything IRL

funny thing is, Quarterling and I know we're just having fun, well I'm pretty sure.. I don't mean much of what I say when it's sarcasm.

[Quarterling]

you and I are thinking along the same lines.

and yup I agree as well, just thought you were taking my lol a little too seriously. /sad panda


and yes, i walked into work and got to respond to your post. for that you actually get a cookie from me (well i guess a +1 will have to do)

lmao

hehe i'm getting all types of neg from this.. OM NOM NOM

one was a big one, like 25 pts... good thing rep doesn't mean anything IRL

funny thing is, Quarterling and I know we're just having fun, well I'm pretty sure.. I don't mean much of what I say when it's sarcasm.

^ this ^

I'll have to give you some + to make up for it later, since it says I've given out too much within 24 hours. While I don't care about the rep system itself, I think it's fun to just hand out +'es to a bunch of people at random.

[Anthios888]

Here's my idea.

Why don't we wait until it comes out and price our scrolls then when we have information about it?

Speculating just makes us look stupid a month from now.

[Whargoul]

There is no evidence that generic area scrolls will be unbound. For all we know, they could be bound to account, thereby allowing specific scrolls to retain some value.

Also, let's not forget...

Scrolls will be more generic (Scroll of Desert Sands)-Most likely will not be retroactive to prevent flood of Epic items at launch/screw up the economy

By saying the scroll change "will not be retroactive", I take that to mean your existing scrolls will remain specific and any newly found scrolls may be generic area scrolls (in current and new content). Unfortunately, I could not find the actual dev post, so this will have to do.

[Asketes]

^ this ^

I'll have to give you some + to make up for it later, since it says I've given out too much within 24 hours. While I don't care about the rep system itself, I think it's fun to just hand out +'es to a bunch of people at random.

ever given some to someone's first post just to make them have 1 or 2 green boxes? lol