Making a Lich is fun, but for epic they become useless.

[Zorth]

And by Lich I mean pure lich, with lots of DEATH SPELLS. They are a useless class in Epic quests. IMO they would mostly Pike.

Liches are by far the most powerful Undead in Ebberon. A 9 TR with FIGHTER 3, BARB 3, WIZ 3, makes a very powerful LICH.

So I just wanted to say that and get that off my chest. Thank you for reading this.

I had a quick brainstorm and thought since a WIZ 3 has a chance to hit high spell pen and high DC, why not just raise the deathspell dc on EPIC very high, and only a WIZ 3 could have a slight chance of Killing an EPIC, but not all of them of course. RATS and such and lower classed vermin or even a few other low class things on the monster scale in EPIC quests.

[SiliconShadow]

And by Lich I mean pure lich, with lots of DEATH SPELLS. They are a useless class in Epic quests. IMO they would mostly Pike.

Liches are by far the most powerful Undead in Ebberon. A 9 TR with FIGHTER 3, BARB 3, WIZ 3, makes a very powerful LICH.

So I just wanted to say that and get that off my chest. Thank you for reading this.

I had a quick brainstorm and thought since a WIZ 3 has a chance to hit high spell pen and high DC, why not just raise the deathspell dc on EPIC very high, and only a WIZ 3 could have a slight chance of Killing an EPIC, but not all of them of course. RATS and such and lower classed vermin or even a few other low class things on the monster scale in EPIC quests.

Hit the dev tracker in the forums (Top left) and read about how they have already addressed this and what the planned changes entail.

[Jaid314]

besides which...

you made a one-trick pony out of an extremely versatile class, and are disappointed that your one trick pony doesn't work as well as the versatile option in all situations?

i may as well go complain that a dual light mace fighter spec'd for killing oozes isn't very effective in epics. except that whereas said fighter would probably take a lesser reincarnate to fix, odds are good your pale master just needs a simple trip to the local tavern and he'd be quite powerful.

[protokon]

besides which...

you made a one-trick pony out of an extremely versatile class, and are disappointed that your one trick pony doesn't work as well as the versatile option in all situations?

i may as well go complain that a dual light mace fighter spec'd for killing oozes isn't very effective in epics. except that whereas said fighter would probably take a lesser reincarnate to fix, odds are good your pale master just needs a simple trip to the local tavern and he'd be quite powerful.

This.

[Sirea]

They only become useless if you build it to *only* be a necro-specced caster.

I view my pale master as a self-healing drow wizard with the benefits of high necro DCs, but I still make the effort to max out elemental lines/damage and spell pen. The key is to be well-rounded.

I would never view my pale master as "useless." Try being a little less rigid in your specialties. The power of wizards is in their versatility, and you do the class a disservice by building it into a corner.