Is it wrong to roll for raid loot then when you win accept offers of trade for it?

[taurean430]

Ok in reavers madstone boots drop for the wizard, favoured soul says "well those should be up for roll". "rest of the party says "hey wait up its the wizards loot his call on what to do with his loot". The wizard then says anyone without a blue bar can roll on the boots. (I dont totally agree with this but hey his loot his call) Im on my bard so I dont roll on the boots. But the favoured soul does, apparently he wins the roll. Then someone offers him a red scale for the boots. Some other people pipe up me inclueded and say isnt that a little dodgy? You roll on something then trade it after you win? If anyone should be getting a red scale for those boots it should be the wizard who pulled them. (well thats what I think anyway).
The wizard also points out that the favoured soul was not qualified by his conditions on rolling on it anyway. The wizard hadnt handed it over in the chest yet, so it went to the guy with the next highest roll. The favoured soul got real ****ed off with everyone, and he stated that he won the roll fair and square and it was his loot to decide what to do with (some other strong language was used which I wont get into here.

PM with name pls.

[taurean430]

I wouldn't do it.

That said, I've tried (unsuccessfully) to buy this one stupid belt in titan...

Maybe it's something about reaver's? The other day my wizard got black listed by a couple people because he is a 'ninja-looter'..

My crime? My wizard pulled a +3 str tome in reavers and didn't put it up for roll. Instead I gave it to a guildie. Funny part was that a bunch of people started to roll on the tome even though I hadn't said it was for roll, and the 'winner' was quite illustrative...

Silly ninja looters

Nice.

Pulled a +3 Wisdom Tome with my Wizard in the last Reaver Run. It's amazing how many people suddenly couldn't read the condition; Divine Builds or Monk only roll d77. There were a slew of rolls to sort through, most of which didn't meet the conditions. Some of which were there before me announcing the tome was for roll lol.

Gotta love people I guess :P

[krackythehoodedone]

Wrong....No


Pretty low down, dishonarable behaviour that will get you blacklisted quick...absolutely

Thats what i think anyway

[DaSawks]

My Wizard has a pair of Madstone boots. They were in the chest and I offered them up for roll. Almost everyone rolled with a fighter winning. I announced the winner and sent him a tell to come and get them. Everyone in the party finished out as I stood there. I was left all alone. I sent a tell to the winner again but he had logged off. I was the only one left in so I kept them.

[katz]

Madstone boots are apparently quite the item that makes people lose their minds... in game and out. i was incredibly lucky to pull a set on my first run of reavers on my second life. currently i am a sorcerer, but my last life was a greatsword swinging bard, and my next life i will return to that. this life i run around in light armor and swing my GS greatsword when i run outta mana, or if i'm trying to conserve mana, so it's not like i look like the typical caster. however, when i looted them i was immediately met by a chorus of " the sorc took the boots, wow." and "that was stupid" and whatnot. one person said "squelched" before i said anything in return. when i said i wanted them for next life. someone shot back with that being a weak "excuse". so apparently my loot is my loot, unless someone else really wants it and can't see why i do. you see these wings? you see this greatsword? my last life was melee, my next life will be melee.. i know what they do, i know the hidden effect, and i know how rare they are. i didn't get the boots last life, what makes you think i wanna grind all next life and still possibly not get them?

meh.

[Zillee]

I think it all depends on context. I've pulled a +3 wis tome in reavers before and put it up for roll. The winner then passed it to the cleric who had healed the party and rolled low. I didn't mind. The cleric had done a great job in the raid. Yet going by what is said on the forums this would put some people's noses out because it had been rolled on then passed by the winner to someone else? Nahh, it's all context. I've also no problem with passing loot to someone I know who needs stuff rather than putting it up for roll. Trading for loot? Sure, no probs with that too if I get something I need in return.

[FuzzyDuck81]

It was probably one of those "melee" favored souls. They don't even remember they have spell points half the time.

I do that a lot on my lord of blades fvs Also looking for the madstone boots on him (mainly for soloing so i can just go "death or glory" approach with them & bladesworn for giggles), but since they're so desirable for "proper" melees to try & spare myself from drama my rule is never to roll on them, only take them if they fall in my loot... still, 40th run coming up, fingers are crossed!

[Lorz]

OP and to the others there and on Khyber....stick the Fvs on the DNG with list or /squelch and forget that idiot.

He is not worth running with and the sooner you shun him the better.

He was completely wrong and out of line. Like i say, just /squelch the idiot.

[JakLee7]

I won a pair of KDB from VON on my bard on a roll, I got blacklisted for that by "some" of the party because a bard can cast FOM <eyeroll>

I have put up a pair of +4 dex tomes in TOD on my healer because she doesn't need them, and I am not reincarnating her (maybe ever, but definitely not until my paly has hit completionist).

I have offered to buy gear, and offered gear for sale. My loot, my choice. To be fair, every party makeup is different and so I try not to judge others and how they want to set up their rolls/loot/ect & I don't get "mad" when someone loots something they will never use (except my buddy who rage-quit after we beat the dragon in VON, pulling that lifehammer for his wizzy who couldn't melee his way out of a wet paper sack; he knew I wanted it but was being a jerk, he DID appologize later, and for some reason thought he could give me the hammer later, LOL).

Realistically, I found that majority of the people who get angry about loot are either\
a) new - they are impatient and greedy for a specific thing/things that you may have just pulled, not realizing that higher end gear often comes with long waits/farming
b) frustrated mid-length players - they have figured out farming is necessary for some things but have been unable to get certain ones and get bent about X not dropping for them yet
c) jerks - these need no explainations

of those, only C really should be friended - the other 2 just need to catch a break and some teaching and should be fine - season them if you will. I never have been a big fan of the squelch for isolated incidents of stupid behavior; we have all had bad days, ect. But at the end of the day I never blame someone for what they choose to do with their loot

[Lleren]

Madstone boots are apparently quite the item that makes people lose their minds... in game and out. i was incredibly lucky to pull a set on my first run of reavers on my second life. currently i am a sorcerer, but my last life was a greatsword swinging bard, and my next life i will return to that. this life i run around in light armor and swing my GS greatsword when i run outta mana, or if i'm trying to conserve mana, so it's not like i look like the typical caster. however, when i looted them i was immediately met by a chorus of " the sorc took the boots, wow." and "that was stupid" and whatnot. one person said "squelched" before i said anything in return. when i said i wanted them for next life. someone shot back with that being a weak "excuse". so apparently my loot is my loot, unless someone else really wants it and can't see why i do. you see these wings? you see this greatsword? my last life was melee, my next life will be melee.. i know what they do, i know the hidden effect, and i know how rare they are. i didn't get the boots last life, what makes you think i wanna grind all next life and still possibly not get them?

meh.

If looking for "odd" items for a character, I try and remeber to announce it in party text chat at the beginning of the Raid, saves on Drama down the line.

Then again I also let folks know when I'm a bit new to a quest or raid and never have any problems...

[pjstechie]

Maybe someday I can offer as much as PJ does.

whatever helps you sleep at night

[Failedlegend]

from what i gather, the 'universal' rules of raid loot here at DDO are as follows:

-you pull something from the chest that drops to your name, do with it as you will. some people will take exception to you looting something that isnt ideal for your class, but ultimately your loot your decision.
-if you roll on something, you better be rolling to loot it and use it.
-if you roll on it with the intention of selling it to someone else in the group or to proxy-roll for someone else, expect to be blacklisted and have a thread made about you on the forums.
-if something drops to your name, you *can* sell it to someone else in the group, but there is a fair chance someone will take exception to it, and may blacklist you. the most accepted practice here is if you cant use it, put it up for roll.

the only accepted exception to these rules seems to be for epic shards and seals. most people dont seem to have any problem with you trading the shards and seals you pull with others in the group. which seems pretty fair imo seeing as they are all BtA and all of them can be pretty useful to just about anyone with a few different toons. although if you roll on a shard or seal then try to trade it, it would be considered very poor form and subject to blacklisting.

The other exception seems to be people who plan to TR but I usually only let that slide at higher levels...say 18~+ I find it hilarious doing an at level VoN and some lvl 11 monk rolling on the Kundarak Warding shield for when he TRs.

[Failedlegend]

from what i gather, the 'universal' rules of raid loot here at DDO are as follows:

-you pull something from the chest that drops to your name, do with it as you will. some people will take exception to you looting something that isnt ideal for your class, but ultimately your loot your decision.
-if you roll on something, you better be rolling to loot it and use it.
-if you roll on it with the intention of selling it to someone else in the group or to proxy-roll for someone else, expect to be blacklisted and have a thread made about you on the forums.
-if something drops to your name, you *can* sell it to someone else in the group, but there is a fair chance someone will take exception to it, and may blacklist you. the most accepted practice here is if you cant use it, put it up for roll.

the only accepted exception to these rules seems to be for epic shards and seals. most people dont seem to have any problem with you trading the shards and seals you pull with others in the group. which seems pretty fair imo seeing as they are all BtA and all of them can be pretty useful to just about anyone with a few different toons. although if you roll on a shard or seal then try to trade it, it would be considered very poor form and subject to blacklisting.

The other exception seems to be people who plan to TR but I usually only let that slide at higher levels...say 18~+ I find it hilarious doing an at level VoN and some lvl 11 monk rolling on the Kundarak Warding shield for when he TRs. Just another reason why TRing is a dumb concept.

[TheEgoWhip]

Madstone boots are apparently quite the item that makes people lose their minds... in game and out. i was incredibly lucky to pull a set on my first run of reavers on my second life. currently i am a sorcerer, but my last life was a greatsword swinging bard, and my next life i will return to that. this life i run around in light armor and swing my GS greatsword when i run outta mana, or if i'm trying to conserve mana, so it's not like i look like the typical caster. however, when i looted them i was immediately met by a chorus of " the sorc took the boots, wow." and "that was stupid" and whatnot. one person said "squelched" before i said anything in return. when i said i wanted them for next life. someone shot back with that being a weak "excuse". so apparently my loot is my loot, unless someone else really wants it and can't see why i do. you see these wings? you see this greatsword? my last life was melee, my next life will be melee.. i know what they do, i know the hidden effect, and i know how rare they are. i didn't get the boots last life, what makes you think i wanna grind all next life and still possibly not get them?

meh.

Ran a guild ADQ the other night, and we had an extra space so we pugged it out and picked up a 14-16 Barb. (don't remember his lvl for certain). Naturally the Torc drops and it goes to the Barb. Of course every caster in the guild is drooling for it, but its his loot so his call. He decides that he is gonna TR to a caster eventually so he wants to keep them. Everyone congratulates him and we go on our way. Much groaning in guild chat but no actual animosity, tho I'm not so sure we will be too worried about filling that last spot next time...

[NaturalHazard]

arrggg i didnt write down his name i put him on squelch list and mentioned him in guild chat where people asked his name and then squelched him. I guess I could look it up somewhere?

[t0r012]

Out side of the normal your loot is your loot rules I keep a couple of others.
Roll on an item before I say it's up for roll and you are excluded, period.
I'll also set conditions and expect them to be followed. I like loot to go to those that need it now.
Don't roll unless you are going to put it on now. I don't care for "my next life".

I also do crazy stuff like give away a large scale when someone says that is all they need for their GS crafting.

And I follow everyones rules/conditions to a T. Been trying for a long while to get an SOS for my thf pally but if it drops for someone that says no pallies can roll on it I'm not going to even whisper bad words , it is his loot and even if he just wanted to exclude me only even if I was the only party member able to use it , oh well. Their loot their call. I fell privilGed that the owner is generous enough to put his loot up for a roll even if I can't roll on it.

[KillEveryone]

The FvS didn't win the roll because he had a blue bar and the wizard said that anyone without a blue bar can roll. The FvS roll is disqualified. It is the loot of the wizard to begin with so the wizard can set the conditions of the roll and the FvS ignored that.

I do frown upon selling of loot that has been rolled upon. I would prefer that the person that rolled for the item be the person that loots and use the item rather than have the person that has the most stuff buy that item.

[KillEveryone]

Madstone boots are apparently quite the item that makes people lose their minds... in game and out. i was incredibly lucky to pull a set on my first run of reavers on my second life. currently i am a sorcerer, but my last life was a greatsword swinging bard, and my next life i will return to that. this life i run around in light armor and swing my GS greatsword when i run outta mana, or if i'm trying to conserve mana, so it's not like i look like the typical caster. however, when i looted them i was immediately met by a chorus of " the sorc took the boots, wow." and "that was stupid" and whatnot. one person said "squelched" before i said anything in return. when i said i wanted them for next life. someone shot back with that being a weak "excuse". so apparently my loot is my loot, unless someone else really wants it and can't see why i do. you see these wings? you see this greatsword? my last life was melee, my next life will be melee.. i know what they do, i know the hidden effect, and i know how rare they are. i didn't get the boots last life, what makes you think i wanna grind all next life and still possibly not get them?

meh.

Your loot is your loot to do with as you please and I would not fault you for looting those boots on your sorcerer because it is your loot to do with as you please.

People get stupid over loot.

[Sweyn]

My Wizard has a pair of Madstone boots. They were in the chest and I offered them up for roll. Almost everyone rolled with a fighter winning. I announced the winner and sent him a tell to come and get them. Everyone in the party finished out as I stood there. I was left all alone. I sent a tell to the winner again but he had logged off. I was the only one left in so I kept them.

[Aurora_nyx]

I run most raids with a pretty core group... sometimes it's to "get" a certain item. If that's the case, it's in the lfm that we are helping to get whatever the hell it is for someone. That way no one can get butt hurt if one of the six of us pull it and it ends up in X's hands. In those runs if it drops for someone not in our usual group I will say I'm rolling for it for X ...if the person say's ok you can roll I will, if not well I hope X has a dang good roll Then again, I usually end up in awesome pugs so not too much drama

oh and Anto darlin.... you give me a few lds, and I'll run that raid with ya