Is it possible a monk to beat a barbarian on pvp?

[Zenako]

It's perform skill plus a d20.

So, 23 + 15 + 6 [GS CHA] + 4 [GH] + 1 [Focusing Chant] + 3 [Gwylan's blade] = +52, add a d20, and you get 53-73. And that's with a 10 CHA. Any Bard will reach at least 14 for 2 more.

A bard can pacify the entire PvP with little trouble if they try. If the bard is a Spellsinger or Virt, then mid to high 30 CHA is likely with another 15 or more on the DC. Pretty much everything not given to be immune is subject to listening to da music 95% of the time. Darn good odds in PvP...

[Delt]

Some tactics are genuinely "cheap" in pvp -- bard singing, Wiz PL spam, Ottos, etc. Why that is boils down largely to the fact that there is really no way to avoid/resist it (unsurpressed item/PM forms aside).

Some tactics aren't fun, depending on who is fighting who -- PWS, FtS, Trip, Stuns, Dispel, etc.

I guess it depends what you want to "prove" in a given fight.

[Chai]

There is no such thing as unfair or cheap in PVP. I think its laughable that full on melee expect bards to go toe to toe with them, and casters expect bards not to use their distance CC, while the entire time the caster is firing off distance DD spells. Trying to banter that 30 points of resist and 120 points of protect somehow allows you to protect against 1500 point attacks is even more hilarious. I wish people who bantered this stuff after being killed (which is usually after bragging up a storm) would do so while standing in a single file line either directly in front of or directly behind one and other. I have seen those well rehearsed "that isnt fair" responses alot coming out of people rambling on about PVP in the Sarlona general chat channel every time I forget to turn that channel off. Thats usually the indicator to hose the place down with slayer arrows while CCing people from afar.

Just be happy this isnt EQ, because I would have charmed you and sent you to attack a mob you would have no hope of killing on your own. Death to a mob in EQ, charmed or not, was 2/3 of a level of XP loss. If you are one of the people who harps about PVP all the time in general chat, good luck finding a cleric to raise you to get most of that XP back. They will be too busy paying me for greening you in the first place, due to having to put up with all the general chat spam regarding tactics used being too cheap.

What the barb should have done is equipped about 8 different guards. Even if stunned the monk will possibly kill himself on guards long before the monk would drop the barbarians HP total.

[Khanyth]

[Shaamis]

Recently i was challenged into a fight from a guild member,he has lvl20 barb frenz and i have lvl20 dark monk!I beat him with stuns and ToD but he said its unfair,my question is,can i beat him without use anything,just dps?

LOL.

Barb is crying that he lost? lost in a BAR BRAWL?

I would ride this till he leaves the game.

You: Hey buddy want to go check out the tavern brawls?
Buddy: Yeah, but dont be stunning me or tripping me that's unfair...
You: Oh, i'm sorry, your Barbarian doesnt have a pair of big boy pants on! jeez, quit crying like a *****. You're supposed to be a big, tough, raging barbarian, and I can beat you up! get out of my face you whiny little (&^#"

Personally, if you are wanting to PvP, and then WHINE when you lose, thats the best reason to make fun of them.

[stainer]

It just proves monks>barbarians.

My monk Dreamler will have an LFM up later for 2 divines, 2 arcanes and a bard to do epics.

[hityawithastick]

No not really.

This.

[Deathlos]

I do it all the time, no stuns, no trips no ToD, no guards. if they cant hit you its hard for em to win

[hityawithastick]

To determine if you can kill something in PvP, follow this helpful guide.

(1): Are you a caster?
(2): Are you 7 or 8 levels higher than your opponent?
(3): Can you stun, incapacitate, trip, blind, daze, hypnotize, dance, petrify, emotionally traumatize, intoxicate, or poison your opponent?

If any three are correct, congratulations! You will win against everything in PvP. In fact, you should not even bother going there. Just go join a HoX and tell everyone how awesome you are while you kite reavers around.

[t0r012]

AC + FoLw/ heal amp or ToD + 2d10/2d12 base damage + elemental strikes + fast attacks
vs.
GS greataxe + monster str + rage + truck load of HP and a couple DR

If both had 100% fort I think it would be closer than most are making it out to be. can you chip down 700+hp before he can beat down 400+hp that is getting back 1-2 hp every swing or even worse throw in amp for 1-3 or 2-4?

50 str barb w/gs. 3d6avg 10.5+ 20 str dmg + 5 weapon +10 pa = 45.5 per swing before effects. so we will say what 3 effects @ 1d6 each for ease? 3 = 10.5 so roughly 56 dmg per swing that hits. so something like 7.1 hits to kill 400 hp. (not looking so good)

30 str monk 2d10 base 11.5 avg +10 str + 5 weapon +5 PA = 31.5 avg
effects for monk are greater than barb so lets go 2 @ 1d6 from wraps for 7. + dual rings for 7 more plus elemental strikes for say 9 more? 54.5 per swing ball park. so something like 12.8 hits to kill 700 hp barb (not as bad as i though)

so basically if you can have the barb miss due to your AC 6 times you could win.

edit:
very back of the envelope here of course. some numbers pulled out of my butt , no double strikes, no other buffs, no DR (forgot monk 10/epic and barbs DR)

[butlerfamilywa]

Dude, my Barb can totally beat your Wizard in a fight.

Oh, no spells allowed, k?

That might work, my wizard has a paralizing throwing hammer, and a vorpal throwing axe, lol


He doesn't wear deathward does he?

[Iwinbyrollup]

If I were to wrestle my 5-year-old cousin...he would probably win. I mean, sure, I could pick him up and throw him across the room. But he's 5, I'm not trying to kill the kid or anything. Come on. I'd more or less make feigned attempts to fight back all the while working to ensure that I was going to lose at the same time.

Does that make him stronger than me?

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Does the barbarian plan to use his rages?

This is why PvP is stupid, it brings out the immature child in people.

[Tunst]

Dude, my Barb can totally beat your Wizard in a fight.

Oh, no spells allowed, k?

its not even the wizard spells that **** me off, its that they have to run backward.
jesus christ. at least fix that fact that if im running directly behind them, i should still be able to hit them.
you cant hit anything thats moving in the same direction as you unless your using ranged stuff, and it makes it gay.

in all honesty, i have had a wizard straight out fight me, (spells allowed, but no running like a girl), and he won. o.O

[Tunst]

AC + FoLw/ heal amp or ToD + 2d10/2d12 base damage + elemental strikes + fast attacks
vs.
GS greataxe + monster str + rage + truck load of HP and a couple DR

If both had 100% fort I think it would be closer than most are making it out to be. can you chip down 700+hp before he can beat down 400+hp that is getting back 1-2 hp every swing or even worse throw in amp for 1-3 or 2-4?

50 str barb w/gs. 3d6avg 10.5+ 20 str dmg + 5 weapon +10 pa = 45.5 per swing before effects. so we will say what 3 effects @ 1d6 each for ease? 3 = 10.5 so roughly 56 dmg per swing that hits. so something like 7.1 hits to kill 400 hp. (not looking so good)

30 str monk 2d10 base 11.5 avg +10 str + 5 weapon +5 PA = 31.5 avg
effects for monk are greater than barb so lets go 2 @ 1d6 from wraps for 7. + dual rings for 7 more plus elemental strikes for say 9 more? 54.5 per swing ball park. so something like 12.8 hits to kill 700 hp barb (not as bad as i though)

so basically if you can have the barb miss due to your AC 6 times you could win.

edit:
very back of the envelope here of course. some numbers pulled out of my butt , no double strikes, no other buffs, no DR (forgot monk 10/epic and barbs DR)

monks hit MUCH faster than barbs do.
plus when you throw in that almost every hit of mien is a double strike, and about half are triples...

plus i do 2d12, not 2d10.
my damage (next time ill be in pvp)
2d12+5+(str)+3d6+2d6+2d6+1d6+1d6+1d6+epic charged gauntlets
of course, thats with maxed gear.

[t0r012]

Yeah like I said the numbers are rough.
Doubles probably roughly balance with glancing and tripples do stand by themselves but that also doesn't include the other gs goodies. And really any smart melée is going to pull out an anarchic of glob on a 20 monk. Where the monk would need to have to find the right racial banes and have have to match them with alaignment burst if applicable

[solacerodgers]

1 thing i think you all forgot about in pvp = void strike IIII.................. I dont care what you have on, if your blocking with a brick wall and have 1500 hp , void 4 will wipe you clean. You say but yes you have to roll that 20 first , bla bla bla monk + wind + void it will land in the first 5 seconds. I have only a light monk i play and although i dont pvp him a ton when i do a kukan + void IIII or stunning fist alone will beat down most anything without 30 guards.

[Shade]

It just proves monks>barbarians.

My monk Dreamler will have an LFM up later for 2 divines, 2 arcanes and a bard to do epics.

Sweet. I'll join on my arcane!

[jcTharin]

There is PvP in DDO?

yes. its this place i go for when i want to see how for i can get my hp into the negatives.

[Tuney]

PvP is where I go to see how many people have 40+ to hit... Not many hehe