Sorc PRE changes screws with my archmage?

[kinar]

OK, so I've been reading through the new sorc PRE and enhancment changes....specificlally in the spell enhancment lines.

All of spell enhancement lines are being split up...

I've got a WF evoc/enchant specced archmange

currently I've got full repair/force spec enhancments and some fire/cold

10pts (1/2/3/4) to force/repair dmg for +40%
10pts (1/2/3/4) to fire/cold dmg for +40%
6pts (1/2/3) to crit % to force (up to 9%)
6pts (1/2/3) to crit mod to force (up to 2.25)

to get the same under the new system, I'll need:

5pts (1/1/1/1/1) to force dmg for +40%
5pts (1/1/1/1/1) to repair dmg for +40%
5pts (1/1/1/1/1) to fire dmg for +40%
5pts (1/1/1/1/1) to cold dmg for +40%
6pts (1/1/1/1/1/1) to crit % to force (up to 9%)
6pts (1/1/1/1/1/1) to crit mod to force (up to 2.25)

hmm...I guess it works out the same...with the added bonus of being able to enhance my force by an extra 10% if I can squeeze out another 2 AP from somewhere else...

carry on...nothing to see here

[Requiro]

OK, so I've been reading through the new sorc PRE and enhancment changes....specificlally in the spell enhancment lines.

All of spell enhancement lines are being split up...

I've got a WF evoc/enchant specced archmange

currently I've got full repair/force spec enhancments and some fire/cold

10pts (1/2/3/4) to force/repair dmg for +40%
10pts (1/2/3/4) to fire/cold dmg for +40%
6pts (1/2/3) to crit % to force (up to 9%)
6pts (1/2/3) to crit mod to force (up to 2.25)

to get the same under the new system, I'll need:

5pts (1/1/1/1/1) to force dmg for +40%
5pts (1/1/1/1/1) to repair dmg for +40%
5pts (1/1/1/1/1) to fire dmg for +40%
5pts (1/1/1/1/1) to cold dmg for +40%
6pts (1/1/1/1/1/1) to crit % to force (up to 9%)
6pts (1/1/1/1/1/1) to crit mod to force (up to 2.25)

hmm...I guess it works out the same...with the added bonus of being able to enhance my force by an extra 10% if I can squeeze out another 2 AP from somewhere else...

carry on...nothing to see here

You forgot about:

6pts (1/1/1/1/1/1) to crit % to repair (up to 9%)
6pts (1/1/1/1/1/1) to crit mod to repair (up to 2.25)

That will be the same what you have today.

Of course if you care about Repair crits.

[kinar]

You forgot about:

6pts (1/1/1/1/1/1) to crit % to repair (up to 9%)
6pts (1/1/1/1/1/1) to crit mod to repair (up to 2.25)

That will be the same what you have today.

Of course if you care about Repair crits.

I see you are right...however, its kinda pointless to care about repair crits since if you try to depend on them, you will be dead. Every once in a while, its kinda cool to see a 700pt plus repair when I'm keeping a tank alive, but at least 400 of that went to waste usually.

Sucks for all you fire & ice people though...

[Memnir]

Also, it's not the Sorc PrEs that may/may not screw with you...
The changes are going be alongside the PrEs, but not because of them. Even if they were to scrap the Savant lines at the last moment (insert howls of Sorc-Rage here), the splitting of the lines would still commence.

[kinar]

Also, it's not the Sorc PrEs that may/may not screw with you...
The changes are going be alongside the PrEs, but not because of them. Even if they were to scrap the Savant lines at the last moment (insert howls of Sorc-Rage here), the splitting of the lines would still commence.

While your statement is most likely true, splitting the lines would have most likely never happened if the sorc PRE's didn't require it...

[Memnir]

They've been thinking about doing it for a long time - so yeah. They would have.

But whatever. Stupid thing to argue over.

[dunklezhan]

While your statement is most likely true, splitting the lines would have most likely never happened if the sorc PRE's didn't require it...

I disagree with your assessment here: Certainly the spell/Enhancemant changes have to happen before the Sorc PrE is possible, but it doesn't follow that they've done such major work on the spell & enhancement system just to accomodate Sorc PrE.

In other words, Sorc PrE might just be their way of showcasing the spell/enhancement changes, rather than being the driver.

[Eladrin]

While your statement is most likely true, splitting the lines would have most likely never happened if the sorc PRE's didn't require it...

They would have. The enhancement changes were part of the spell pass, not a result of the Elemental Savants.

[dkyle]

They would have. The enhancement changes were part of the spell pass, not a result of the Elemental Savants.

It seems odd that, while the percent damage boosting enhancements stayed the same cost effectively, if one wished to regain the same bonuses they had pre-U9, the crit boost enhancements doubled in cost, since one element now costs the same as two used to.

Is this intended, and if so, why? Are spell crits more valuable than what they were previously valued at?

[Kza]

They would have. The enhancement changes were part of the spell pass, not a result of the Elemental Savants.

Any chanse to check on AP cost again? Seems even tighter and more expensive now than before. Plz? (for crit lines)

[Missing_Minds]

Any chanse to check on AP cost again? Seems even tighter and more expensive now than before. Plz? (for crit lines)

Remember the old saying, "jack of all trades, master of none?"

I have a feeling Eladrin wants people to have the ability to do everything, but then you shouldn't be great at any of it. But If you do spec yourself up for it, you'll be darn hot at that line, but not so hot at the others.

That is the standard trade off thinking, and probably why they are so front heavy.

[Aaxeyu]

They should really just merge the crit lines, so there is 1 crit line for each element instead of 2.

[Aashrym]

They should really just merge the crit lines, so there is 1 crit line for each element instead of 2.

/signed

[Cyr]

They should really just merge the crit lines, so there is 1 crit line for each element instead of 2.

/signed

[Rinnaldo]

... I've got a WF evoc/enchant specced archmange ...

I think my dog had that!

[Alektronic]

Haven't seen anything about a "repair" line. I did see that force is now an untyped/force/physical category. To the OP: where'd you get the impression that repair will have it's own line?

[Ridag]

They should really just merge the crit lines, so there is 1 crit line for each element instead of 2.

+1 to you! This is how it is on lore items, this is also how it should be on enhancements. 1 line for crit multiplier and chance for each element, adjust AP cost accordingly. They should also strongly consider keeping them at or near the same AP cost equivalent and if they find that it is unbalancing with the other changes coming then adjust accordingly.

[Jaid314]

I see you are right...however, its kinda pointless to care about repair crits since if you try to depend on them, you will be dead. Every once in a while, its kinda cool to see a 700pt plus repair when I'm keeping a tank alive, but at least 400 of that went to waste usually.

Sucks for all you fire & ice people though...

well, it really only sucks for people making *new* fire/ice spec casters. or those who respec. the rest of us get to keep our combined lines unless turbine forces an enhancement reset.

[Kirlian]

They would have. The enhancement changes were part of the spell pass, not a result of the Elemental Savants.

I hope the overall changes to spells justify extreme increase in AP. I would like to see in U9 some really, really good changes to trash resistance, saves, immunities, that will balance the unbalancing AP costs. I have no idea what could that possibly be... Hm... Every spell will partially do untyped dmg to enemies? Orthons, devils, thiefilings, demons ifrities, djinies, etc, have their immunities, resistances lowered/removed?
Why?
It may happen that wizards would like to sustain versatility. At the end of the day its sorcerers that want to/should/have no choice now but, become specialize in ONE element. Wizards and maybe some renegades will still prefer versatility over narrow dedication.

[Maegin]

I hope the overall changes to spells justify extreme increase in AP. I would like to see in U9 some really, really good changes to trash resistance, saves, immunities, that will balance the unbalancing AP costs. I have no idea what could that possibly be... Hm... Every spell will partially do untyped dmg to enemies? Orthons, devils, thiefilings, demons ifrities, djinies, etc, have their immunities, resistances lowered/removed?
Why?
It may happen that wizards would like to sustain versatility. At the end of the day its sorcerers that want to/should/have no choice now but, become specialize in ONE element. Wizards and maybe some renegades will still prefer versatility over narrow dedication.

subject to debate since not all the prcs are out.

and ofcourse you dont HAVE to take them. If you like what you are, you can stay that way.